>> rose: joining me is brian de palma and the directors of the documentary and long-time de palma fans, noah baumbach and jake paltrow. i'm pleased to have them all at this table. you see all that. you're at this documentary front and center, but your films are front and center, too, and we saw a sampling of that. you said being a director is like being a watcher. what did you mean? >> well, you watch behind the camera, you watch what your actors are doing. one to have the essential shots in a movie is the point of view shot, which is we're seeing what the actors are seeing and the audience is seeing, exactly the same information. that's unique to cinema and it's a building block i use quite a lot. >> rose: how did you learn this? >> i guess hitchcock. he used a lot of the point of view shots. you know, the simple one is, like, walking up to the bates mansion and you see her close up, she goes up the step. you see the mansion getting closer. she goes up a few more steps on her and then on to the mansion. so we're seeing what she's thinking and saying, oh, my god, i don't want to go int