joining us now is brian deer, journalist and author of the dr.the world about the anti-vaccine movement. i appreciate you taking time to join us. >> i think since robert f kennedy junior associated himself first as an independent candidate and secondly , i thin have started to hear about that role. the concept is fuzzy to a lot of people. can you describe the nature of the outbreak, how severe it was and why he is associated with it and thought to be partially responsible for the death toll? >> the plot thickens from what you were saying a moment ago and that it is almost certain that the virus got into samoa by flight from auckland. just a little while before that, friends of kennedy have been in auckland in new zealand, with a film that have been promoted in the united states by robert de niro and got a lot of attention which was suggesting that there was fraud at the cdc and there wasn't. they had been touring in auckland where there are a lot of pacific islander communities that became susceptible. it was there that new zealand saw the bigges

you know, he has been making this kind of miss schif for many years now. >> journalist and author brian deerof the doctor who fooled the world, mr. deer, appreciate you being with us for this and i would love to have you back to talk more about this in the future. >> sure. >> thank you. >>> we'll be right back. so i saved hundreds. with the money i saved i thought i'd get a wax figure of myself. oh! right in the temporal lobe! beat it, punks! only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty, liberty, liberty, liberty ♪ when i was diagnosed with h-i-v, i didn't know who i would be. but here i am... ...being me. keep being you... ...and ask your healthcare provider about the number one prescribed h-i-v treatment, biktarvy. biktarvy is a complete, one-pill, once-a-day treatment used for h-i-v in many people—whether you're 18 or 80. with one small pill, biktarvy fights h-i-v to help you get to undetectable—and stay there whether you're just starting or replacing your current treatment. research shows that taking h-i-v treatment as prescribed and getting to and staying undetectable prevents transmitting h-i

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joining us now is brian deer, an investigative reporter who has covered the anti-vaccine movement for more than three decades. he's also the author of the doctor who fooled the world science, deception, and the war on vaccines. brian thank you so much. you wrote an op ed in the new york times, and it was titled, i'll never forget what kennedy did during samoa's measles outbreak. and you wrote in there the consequences of his views and those in his orbit are not merely absurd, but tragic. what is it about the measles outbreak in samoa that you think is so important when it comes to rfk jr.? for people to consider well firstly, the important thing to understand is that year, 2019 was a measles year and there was a tremendous amount of measles around the world. >> and that was encouraged by mr. kennedy and his supporters at the time, who were trying to promote fear of vaccines with suggestions that somehow american scientists weren't playing it straight. so there's there's that aspect to it. and the way the measles virus then got to samoa was by transition through new zealand, auckland,