brian gardner, senior vice president of washington research at kdw, russ koesterich, chief investmente with donald kohn but you're still giving it a 50/50 shot, aren't you. >> always dangerous to contradict a former vice chairman of the federal reserve who knows more about the inside game than i do but i think when you look at the data and look back at fomc minutes from the last meeting where participants themselves acknowledged thaed onom forasts ha bee ovly ros ihink the fedantso se lile b mor evinceefor thoveor fwardo srt taring i'margeng mar. i ink i less than 50/50 that we see it in december. ashley: russ, same question. do you think we see tapering from the fed later on this month or much like brian, maybe in march? >> i'm more in agreement with brian. full disclosure here, i believe there is narcissism of small difference. debating whether the probability is 50, 40, or 60. would be great if we have that precision. agree with everything brian said. the fed is under no pressure. more evidence with ppi. inflation is well below the fed's target. second of all this is strange time o