it is listening with about 10 minutes left this morning with brian hochman. you can go ahead and keep calling in. but in your book, you mention that every american generation has a scandal. what are some of the most interesting you that we haven't gotten to yet? so every generation seems to uncover wiretapping anew with fresh. outrage about a decade or so. there's a kind of cycle of resignation and outrage. the earliest national scandal pertaining to wiretapping in the united states happens in new york city in 1916. and this is a very interesting and complicated affair that involves multiple entities. but at the root of it was a slightly corrupt. mayor's office that had coerced the new york police department or force the police department to spy on five catholic priests who were suspected of charity fraud and along the way, the nypd was also working at the same time with a private investigator named william burns, who was in those days the most famous private investigator in, the united states. this a national scandal. it hit the headlines of every major news

brian hochman is director of american studies and associate of english at georgetown university. he's the author of the book savage preservation the ethnographic of modern media technology, which was a finalist for the american studies association, wins laura romero prize for first best first book. his academic writings of a period in american literature african-american review, hallelu notes and queries as well as many other journals. his research and electronics surveillance has been featured in history. the smithsonian magazine and the washington post. joining him tonight in conversation is matthew goglia. matthew goglia is a political and currently serves as an affiliated scholar in the institute of criminal justice at the university of california hastings school of law. he researches the history of u.s. policing and is a policy for surveillance and privacy at the electronic frontier foundation. he is the coeditor of the essential commission report and his have appeared in nbc news, the washington post, slate motherboard and the freedom information centered outlet. mark rock

thankgeorgetown university profr brian hochman us now for a conversation about recent book the listenershistory of wiretapping in the united states. and professor hochman. it's a history goes back probably a lot further than most people would think. you began the book with the story of dc williams. who's