i have been watching c-span when brian lamb was doing -- and i must say a host you have is brilliant. guest: you stole my thunder, howardller: she made the comment the other day that the time in the chair, but time you spend as a host makes a good host and i agree with that and she has paid her dues. it's cutbanks a lot -- i appreciate it. -- host: thanks allot, i appreciate it. [laughter] caller: first of all, the state of california, $19 billion in the red and nothing in sight to create long term stability in our state. let me say, i think we would both agree that it is the amount of dollars of that are spent on programs in a retirement, whether it is the teachers' unions or calpers, or any of that, which is a broad brush to cover, just about any state employee. that is number one. that is what we need to go after. maybe privatize it -- that is a of a thing. -- that is a hell of a thing. but the thing is, you, sir, are for big government and i am for small government. those are the crossroads. are you there? let me just give you -- i like to deal in facts. i think you understand the facts. correct? we had a governor o