bringing in ken fisher, brian jacobson from wells fargo advantage funds, mike, and our own team of rick santelli and steve liesman. >> ken fisher, this has to be your worst nightmare today. you are not a fan of ben bernanke. you're not a fan of quantitative easing at all and now it continues at the same pace for the foreseeable future. >> let me say i'm a bull. the market's rising, i'm happy. but i'd much rather see the wicked witch of the east go away. i think we'd be way better off if we ended quantitative easing real fast so this scapegoat can get behind us. quantitative easing is bad, not good. bernanke is bad, not good. >> you think the economy would be better off without quantitative easing? >> absolutely. we have done well without quantitative easing, not in spite of it. it's an evil. look at britain when we thut kwan ta -- when they put quantitative easing in, things went to the tank. leading curve has been a leading economic indicator. steeper yield curves, auger in more bank future lending because it's a reflection of the marginal proceed pmargin al propensity for banks to len

let's br jacobson and charles payne to talk about the markets. brian is not worried.t will reassure everyone, i hope. >> if i am not worried, no one should be worried. it will really derail the economic recovery. i think it will be temporary and transitory. dagen: charles, what do you think? charles: a lot of people talk about how well the market did immediately afterwards. i am with brian on this. if the market pulls back substantially, i will just sit back and actually solve it. i think it is way over. connell: the thing that steve forbes brought up is a few weeks from now we have the debt ceiling fight. charles, you first on that. charles: the debt ceiling had a much more significant impact on the economy the last time. at some point, the dreaded word will have to come up in washington, d.c., compromise. you can argue whether this was the right battlefield for the gop, particularly. i think they draw the line in the sand. dagen: and then the debt ceiling fight. is there less volatility now? >> i think people really have become somewhat numb. i would say that the wh