brian jenkins, thank you for joining us. as we just heard, u.s. are saying they had no choice but to go after these hostages, that the life of luke somers was in danger. how would you have assessed the threat here? >> well, i think we've certainly seen numerous examples where al quaida, its affiliates or the islamic state have murdered their hostages in these gruesome videos that we've seen. there's a higher incidence of that. so the threat of death has to be taken seriously. a rescue operation is always going to be a high-risk indefer. it's high risk for the rescuers and high risk for the hostages. >> woodruff: i ask about this because, as i'm sure you've seen, luke somers' family is saying he would be alive if the rescue attempt had not been made. >> you know, that's something i certainly cannot say. i mean, as i say, we've seen one american after another murdered by their captors. if there had been no rescue attempt, then there would be criticisms because the united states had not made an effort to rescue a hostage, and if that hostage were sub

i am brian jenkins, with the financial advisor to tjpa, and in terms of the initial tifia interest, it is probably going to be about $30 million. over time, like over the course of the repayment period like over 2050, it is going to be 400 million, in all. like both. >> in total. >> okay, thank you. >> one other tifia related question and in terms of twot conditions, the project being fully funded, and it is possible that we may need to take some action to adjust the budget at this point. before we are ready to execute the tifia loan and does that, how does that timing matter? and how would the federal government be looking at or defining the full project funding? >> any budget increase does need to funded in order for us to comply with the goldman sachs, as well as the tifia loan agreement and be able to disperse. >> how are we defining that? >> although the board has taken no action to change the budget or the scope, the current budget and the practice does not include the full scope because it does not include the roof top park and that alone and suggested and based on what is left

next to karen is brian michael jenkins, senior adviser to the president of rand and who is considered to be the father of terrorism studies. all of these panelists have a long record of publication. so, they will promote their books outside as well. ambassador james dobbins is a senior fellow and distinguished chair of diplomacy and security at rand corporation. he most recently served as director of the rand international security and defense policy center. next, last but not least, seth jones who now directs the international security and defense policy center at the rand corporation. he served as representative to the commander, u.s. special operations command, to the assistant secretary of defense for special operations. so, please, let's all welcome them. >> thank you, dalia. excuse me. i feel like i'm turning my back on all of you there. we are in a time, in my 30 years, 30 plus years of going to the middle east where i think there are more divisions, chaos and depression than i can ever remember. we'll try as dalia said, to focus on some opportunities. i hope my colleagues will

before eagles and cowboys kicked offer eagles saferty malcolm jenkins and des bryant nose to nose yelling at each other. take a look at this. brian bic pick back ab forth. ach the thanksgiving game bryant called eagles cheap and said they gave him busted lip career high 3 touchdowns over bratdly pletcher and eagles down 11 points late in the fourth and turned the ball over three times 17 point for dallas. zero offensive yards in the first and fell behind 21-0. if this game was not big enough eagles desperately need to beat dallas. eagle could not afford to lose night. packer in fumble in the end zone and fall 10-4 out of first place in the nfc north. et ing san francisco is playoff condition. marshawn lynch. seahawks win 17-7 knocking nineers out. seattle still endplay for number one overall seat. >> dallas needs -- eagles need to beats ballas right now. they will gik you out with two games to go. >> they will lookly need a win east or they risk not making playoffs. >> elsewhere pen charter matt ryan trying to get atlanta to play yovrz. he's going nowhere here. drilled to the ground against steelers. ryan never saw it coming. if