you could have a system in way, something that brian kaplan toyed with. laws are passed through normal democratic legislature the, but certain people have a chance to veto power over certain legislation on the grounds that was economically illiterate assuming they're vetoing on the grounds that it's unconstitutional and perhaps the legislature could override it with a majority vote. and the other one, system by oracle. everyone votes and when you vote you put down your democratic information and of basic political knowledge. whether it's what candidate you want and policies you prefer with that data you can determine what can happen to the american people if they all got 100% on the quiz, what would they have preferred. the demographics and you do that, what the enlightened public wants, rather than what the unenlightened public wants. and that's are different forms. in this book i'm not advocating and not saying that we ought to do them. the book indicates that democracy is not in itself, it's a simple procedure for producing just outcomes and the justic

so i read something like that, and my friend, brian kaplan, has a similar reaction. maybe this is explaining why democracy overperforms. there is a tendency to do what the average person wants, but there's a, dependence on producing policies that are better than what we would expect than if the public just got what it wanted. >> "after words" airs every saturday at 10 p.m. and sunday at 9 p.m. eastern. you can watch all previous "after words" programs on our web site, booktv.org. >> tell a little bit more about why you see our founding as tied and important in the history of faith. >> yeah. well, and the one thing our founders did not see, right? they saw very clearly on incentives and the constitutional structure, but you just kind of got at it. they could not see a day where the judeo-christian tradition wasn't taken as a given, and we're kind of there right now. that's debatable. so there's all this debate on jefferson's wall of separation between church and state. well, we want that, right? the first amendment is about that, the separation of church and state and

so brian kaplan talks about what if we have people like take this quiz and if you do well voter agreement we can incentivize to know more. these are things that are legal but fundamentally trying to get to think dmment is not imagine. it is not secret or value that a person has or a beautiful poem. it is nearly a hammer that's all it is. a tool with outcome and we should be in favor of looking for ways to improve that tool or a place that if we can. >> all right. thank you jason for interesting book and interesting conversation. >> thank you very much. we are e calls, tweets and emails live from noon till three pm eastern. go to book tv.org for.org for the complete weekend schedule. >> welcome come everybody. i am the cofounder of civic hall. and briefly typical i should say is we have been here now almost two years.s. it grew out of an annual conference we do call personal democracy forum focused on how technology is changing politics and government that we've been doing since 2004, which both of our guests if we travel similar path. two years ago we opened a year-round gathering point f