by spring up brian katulis. >> thanks. i let the spirit in the feistiness anesthetists.i will bring it back at my child is slightly different. i want to stress three debates. the definitional aspect of what are we talking about, who's winning, how much. pay attention to details. i want to make one more of a policy that get into u.s. policy what we could do. the question of islam and democracy and mother is compatible, which is not over debating here is the persistent sort of charm and if that are relevant. we see experienced demonstrated around the world. you have many countries in which muslims participate in democracy. you have islamic participate in that system. when we have discussions come especially these days than the turmoil in the middle east we are often narrowly focused on the 20% of the muslim world in six and 10 muslims live in the asia-pacific region we need to keep experiences in mind. think about the depth of their experience. the main point, which we'll agree on is there's nothing inherently antidemocratic about islam in terms of political culture. anyth

disagreed with him except on this issue and i particularly have to thank my debating colleague, brian katulis from the center of american progress. it shows the left and right can come together on certain issues and particularly brave for him to be with me because on occasion, i have looked at the web site and i am sometimes found there me to be depicted as the son of satan and i'm not sure what that makes brian. what we are really talking about here is do you prefer dictatorship to democracy, because that's what the resolution really is, because we know that if you actually have a free vote, right now islamists are always going to do well and probably going to triumph. that may not be the case down the road. right now, if you have a free vote, they will triumph. that makes them unavoidable and essential. if you believe you have to go down that path, some path, then you are going to have to open up the road and the option of them. now, what the opposing side is really saying, i think, is you know what we really wanted to have and may be too late now but still want it, is they want to have kam

let's bring up brian katulis. >> it's great to be here and i love the spirit of this. probably going to bring it back a notch and i just want to stress three points in the debate and i think a big part of it is the definitional aspect of what is islamism, what are we talking about, who is winning how much, pay attention to those sorts of details because i just want to make three points, two of them to the motion and one more about policy the u.s. policy and what we can do and i think the question of islam and democracy which is not what we are debating here but it's the persistent sort of charm of an irrelevant question. i think we see the experience demonstrated around the world and rob mentioned this as well that you have many countries including the largest, indonesia, in which the muslims participate in the democracy and you have the political parties within that system, so i think when we have discussions especially these days given the turmoil in the middle east we are very focused on the 20% of the muslim world and six and ten of the muslims live in the pacific

disagreed with him except on this issue and i particularly have to thank my debating colleague, brian katulis from the center of american progress. it shows the left and right can come together on certain issues and particularly brave for him to be with me because on occasion, i have looked at the web site and i am sometimes found there me to be depicted as the son of satan and i'm not sure what that makes brian. what we are really talking about here is do you prefer dictatorship to democracy, because that's what the resolution really is, because we know that if you actually have a free vote, right now islammists are always going to do well and probably going to triumph. that may not be the case down the road. right now, if you have a free vote, they will triumph. that makes them unavoidable and essential. if you believe you have to go down that path, some path, then you are going to have to open up the road and the option of them. now, what the opposing side is really saying, i think, is you know what we really wanted to have and may be too late now but still want it, is they want to have ka