brian kemp is a big name. don't forget, during that critical period in 2020, after trump lost the state of georgia but before the inauguration in january '21, donald trump spoke repeatedly with brian kemp in public and in private, trump tried to twist kemp's arm to get him to basically violate his oath of office and step in to overturn the results in georgia. so those conveations between kemp and trump, i can imagine that's what the prosecutors will get him maybe in front of the grand jury. perhaps an fbi interview. we're not quite at this time. but as you mentioned, with that target letter going out to former president trump, it could come at any minute. that's typically the next step. >> in the classified documents case, the judge in this case, aileen cannon settle the date for may 20, 2024. assuming thait happens on that date, and of course, it could slip, that will be in the thick, actually, sort of after the presidential republican primary elections have wrapped up. trump could have this thing wrapped up,

georgia governor brian kemp. e former president is accused of trying to push kemp to overturned joe biden's narrow win in georgia. >> trump and his allies are under also investigation in fulton county for illegally en interfering in the election. marshall cohen has more for us. >> reporter: good morning. special counsel jack smith has contacted george governor brian kemp as part of his long-running investigation into the 2020 election aftermath. our colleague kaitlan collins confirmed that smith's team was in touch with kemp this past week. now kemp's office is really not saying much and the timing of a possible fbi interview or grand jury appearance for the governor is unclear. but kemp, make no mistake, he's a key figure in this investigation. that is because there 2020, donald trump both privately and publicly pressured kemp to overturn the election in georgia. trump wanted kemp to interfere with the vote counting, block certification of the results, and convene a special session of the legislature so that he c

also, my exclusive sit-down with georgia's gop governor brian kemp, he famously withstood trump's 2020 pressure campaign, will he support him? he is a replica nominee. i'm kaitlan collins, and this is the source. senator joe manchin has a long history of keeping his democratic party guessing. tonight, he is creating a new stir, after speaking out of town hall in the critical early primary state of new hampshire. this was on behalf of no labels, which is a nonprofit group that is considering running a third party candidate in the 2024 presidential election. critics say, it is a spoiler, that could pull moderate votes from president biden, and instead give trump the key to the white house once again. the group says, they are not thinking the forehead right now, instead arguing that america deserves a better choice than donald trump, or joe biden. as for senator manchin, he is not ruling out a third party run, but also says, don't call him a spoiler either. >> i've never been any race, i've ever -- if i can raise i'm going to win. >> also, fueling that 2024 speculation, is the man those s

. >>> and also my exclusive sitdown with georgia's gop governor brian kemp. he withstood trump's 2020 pressure campaign. will he support him if he's the republican nominee? i'm catkaitlan collins, and this "the source." >>> senator joe manchin has a long history of keeping his democratic party guessing. but tonight he's creating a new sti stir after speaking at a town hall in the critical early primary state of new hampshire. this was on behalf of no labels, which is a non-profit group that is considering running a third party candidate in the 2024 presidential election. critics say it's a spoiler that could pull moderate votes from president biden and instead give trump the keys to the white house once again. but the group says that they are not thinking that far ahead right now, instead arguing that america deserves a better choice than donald trump or joe biden. as for senator manchin, he's not ruling out a third party run but also says don't call him a spoiler either. >> i've never been any race i've ever spoiled. i've been in races to win. and if i get i

he wanted brian kemp to refuse to certify the election that joe biden won. vernor kemp followed the law and signed the papers that were required to certify the victory. there were phone calls between trump and kemp where trump tried to twist his arm, part of a multistate effort to overturn the result in states that he lost. keep in mind this is not the only governor or former governor that has been in touch with the special counsel. we learned last week that the former governor of arizona was in touch with the special counsel. so the special counsel is looking at this state-by-state effort to possibly flip the results. >> the investigation is far from over. jack smith and his team still reaching out to potential witnesses. now, what about in the case of a possible third indictment being leveed by jack smith's team? >> that is the big question, a potential third indictment for donald trump. remember, he was charged earlier this year by the d.a. in manhattan, alvin bragg, related to a hush money case from the 2016 election. jack smith, the federal special couns

>> brian kemp ran the state of georgia with a conservative, you know, thesis and he had a huge win in election. he beat david perdue, donald trump's best friend, by 52 points in a primary and beat stacey abrams. it's a winning strategy. he put on display what conservative leadership looks like and he did it in a non-hateful way. he is conservative but not angry. so that to me is the model. if brian kemp wants to orun for president, i will be there to help him. >> one wrinkle is, he looks like he will be a witness in fani willis' case. he is going to have to do the dance we see a lot of gop contenders doing. >> if brian kemp runs for president of the united states, he is actually talented enough to make inroads and to well in the field and to well in a conservative primary and actually strike fear in the hearts of democrats. >> something you said, i want to go back to, you said that the job is to get the message out about bidenomics if we are using that term now. we had congressman clyburn on yesterday. the president was in south carolina. his criticism was, if there was one to pull fr

now, why would jack smith want to talk to brian kemp? e simple answer is that donald trump repeatedly in 2020, both in private and in public, tried to pressure kemp to get kemp to help him overturn the results in georgia. joe biden won by about 11,000 votes, but donald trump wanted kemp to interfere with the vote counting. he wanted kemp to help him get fake electors involved to overturn those results. he wanted brian kemp to block certification of those results. all of these matters are of keen interest to the special counsel, who is potentially neari ing criminal charges in the investigation of those efforts to interfere with the 2020 election and all of the events that led to january 6th. >> marshall, this is the latest development in this election interference probe. do we know if the special counsel is any closer to issuing what would be a third indictment against the former president? >> reporter: we think we are very close. that's basically where things stand today. last week the special counsel sent what's known as a target letter

i wouldn't donald trump in charge of a lemonade stand. >> do you understand why brian kemp would? >> certainly brian has been a great leader. using brian as an example we should see these presidential candidates that are out there trying to flail around and split hairs about donald trump, they ought to take brian kemp's advice. they ought to take the weekend off and look what he did to beat david perdue in a primary by 52%. remember, david perdue was donald trump's best friend. and then he beat stacey abrams in a very wide open race. >> ana, speaking of the other candidates who are running for republican nomination. jake tapper sat down with a gop governor ron desantis this afternoon. and he was claiming basically that the doj has been weaponized against donald trump. so here is that moment. >> jack smith has prosecuted democrats too. i mean, he prosecuted or at least was part of the prosecution of senator menendez, senator john edwards. are you saying that if he finds evidence of criminality, he should not charge donald trump in any way? >> what i'm saying is when you're going aft

we know that brian kemp was of course the governor who received a lot of the pressure from the former allies to try to find a way to overturn those georgia election results and to keep the former president in power, and this is going to go to one of the big, big parts of the investigation which we know is at the center of it to overturn the election results in the key states and battleground states, and we will wait to see if that is part of the indictment against the former president and any of the allies and indicted. >> and now s, cnn has learned a the retreat that they need to do things differently. and according to the desantis campaign, they need to make it leaner because they have unsustainable levels of spending. matt lewis is the author of the swamp and the ruling class elites cashing in on america. my friend matt lewis, and what do you make of the idea that a campaign resets on the way through, and is it the campaign or the candidate? >> well, look, it has worked in the past, right? john kerry's campaign faltering in 2004 and they were able to get that straightened out. john

or has spoken to brian kemp, what does that indicate? we still don't know a date for a prosecutorial decision from fani willis. >> it just shows that jack smith is casting the widest possible investigative net. he's got to look at what trump and lindsey graham and mark meadows and others did down in georgia, just as he has to look to the other battleground states, where there were fake electors, where there was donald trump hauling governors and pressuring them. so this is jack smith continuing to solve the investigative problem in front of him. >> this is steve bannon and roger stone talking about what donald trump was going to do before the election even happened. >> what trump's going to do is declare victory. he's going to declare victory. and that doesn't mean he's the winner. >> i suspect it will still be up in the air. when that happened, the key thing to do is to claim victory. possession is nine tenths of the law. sorry, over, we won. you're wrong. >> giving away the game. we now know based on a rolling stone reporting that this

a spokesman for georgia governor brian kemp says smith's team contacted the governor last week. ump is accused of pushing kemp, pressuring kemp to overturn the 2020 presidential election results in georgia after he narrowly lost the state. cnn's marshall cohen has more. >> good morning. special counsel jack smith has contacted georgia governor brian kemp as part of his long-running investigation into the 2020 election aftermath. our colleague kaitlan collins confirmed that smith's team was in touch with kemp this past week. now kemp's office really is not saying much and the timing of a possible fbi interview or grand jury appearance for the governor is unclear. but kemp, make no mistake, he is a key figure in in investigation. that's because in 2020 donald trump, both privately and publicly, pressured kemp to overturn the election in georgia. trump wanted kemp to interfere with the vote counting, block certification of the results, and convene a special session of the legislature so that he could appoint fake trump electors. now, going beyond kemp, the special counsel is also st

up next, brian kemp, this reach out to the georgia governor, what do you make of that? >> i think he's an important witness. seems like some of the focus is on georgia, which had a fake slate of electors, the telephone call reported with brad raffensperger, i think the governor as a republican could likely be a valuable witness because it would be difficult to cross examine him as someone who has political bias, and he probably knows what the actual facts on the ground were in georgia. makes sense this is the kind of person you wait until the end. you probably only get one shot at him. you want to be as armed as possible with all the of the information having talked to prior witnesses. >> you talked about the possibility of a flip, and we don't know as to whether or not this person has flipped or not, but there's a question of whether they have been amidst all of this, and that's the final chief of staff, the former mark meadows, we have reporting from the "washington post" that i want to read to you. in a text message that has been scru federal prosecutors, meadows wro

we shouldn't be surprised they reached out to brian kemp as well. >> no surprise but still a very big development confirmed by kaitlan collins earlier today that the special counsel did make contact with governor camp. timing is not clear at this moment, but kemp is a huge part of this story. president trump tried to have governor kemp help him overturn the election. he wanted kemp to interfere with the vote counting, to overturn the ruesults of a recount. he wanted kemp to convene the state legislature to appoint fake electors, and when all of that failed he wanted kemp to block certification of the results. kemp didn't do any of that. what he could tell investigators about his calls with trump on the phone where trump was trying to twist his arm, that pressure might form the basis of a criminal charge. >> yeah, and we know there was pressure. and what do we know about the possible timing of this next trump indictment, with the documents case, we saw a similar letter and it came pretty soon or right just before the indictment came down. >> well, once there's a target letter, all eyes

brian kemp, doug doocy, they say they couldn't do those things. he was trying to get my paints to do things that he said he couldn't do. of course, we had rudy giuliani and other attorneys going into states and trying to get slates of fake electors. that's more than just questioning it. they head more than 60 court cases that were all thrown out. >> a lot of those core cases were thrown out on standing issues and they were really thrown out prediscovery. as to pressuring people to do certain things that people say they can't do, that one of those things where you have to look into it and say were that really pressuring them to do something that is clear black little law that they're not allowed to do? or, again, is it one of those things that's open to interpretation. when it comes to mike pence, obviously there are different interpretations as to what his powers our under the electoral college act and that's one of the reasons why congress then went to amend the act to close it and make it a lot more clear that his role is purely ceremonial becau

really open to interpretation if you have governors that he was pressuring to do things that -- brian kemp of georgia, doug ducey of arizona, they said that they couldn't do. he was trying to get mike pence to do things that mike pence said he couldn't do. of course, we had rudy giuliani and these other attorneys going into states and trying to get these slates of fake electors. that's more than questioning. they had 60 court cases that were all thrown out. >> well, a lot of those court cases were thrown out on standing issues and they were really thrown out prediscovery. as to pressuring people to do things that the people say they can't do, that's one of those things where you have to look into it and say, were they really pressuring them to do something that is, you know, clear black letter law that they're not allowed to do or, again, is it one of those things where it's open to interpretation? when it comes to mike pence, obviously there are different interpretations as to what his powers are under the electoral college act and one of the reasons why congress, you know, then went to a

but remind us the one between president trump and brian kemp. >> this is a part of a pressure campaign he was putting on, raffensperger calls it most infamous of them, because we have a recording of that. of what actually happened there. this was something similar that he was doing at other points. i believe there was actually another official who was on the phone and his cell phone rang when he got one of these pressure phone calls from -- >> john doocy. >> that's right. so, he was reaching out to a lot of people at this point. i think one key thing, there's been a lot of focus on recently, including a piece in the washington post, was what mark meadows was thinking. he was the person who had sort of disappeared from this investigation, at least publicly facing. recently, he's just not out there. i think a lot of people in trump's camp are wondering exactly what was playing in a special counsel investigation. >> there, very important to mention. ryan riley, thank you so much. i want to go ahead and bring in former u.s. attorney and deputy assistant attorney general, harry lippman. har

washington. >> reporter: new reporting that special counsel jack smith has contacted georgia governor brian kemp as part of his investigation into the 2020 election aftermath. kaitlan collins confirms that jack smith's team was in touch with kemp this week. kemp's office is not saying much and the timing of a possible fbi interview or grand jury appearance for the governor is unclear. but kemp is a key figure in this investigation because back in 2020, donald trump both privately and publicly pressured kemp to overturn the results of the election in georgia. trump wanted kemp to interfere with the vote counting, to block certification of the results, and to convene a special session of the legislature to appoint fake electors. going beyond kemp, the special counsel is also still in the process of scheduling interviews with additional witnesses. that includes an interview with a former trump lawyer and an interview with a long time ally of rudy giuliani. all of this comes as potential indictments are looming in the investigation. smith sent a target letter to trump last weekend signaling that tru

we know that his efforts to interfere in the 2020 election has reached out to georgia governor brian kempturn the election results in georgia after narrowly using the state to joe biden. for more on what this means for the ongoing investigation, let's bring in a criminal defense attorney and adjunct law professor at american university. jeffrey, great to see you. what is significant about governor kemp at this point being interviewed? >> well, this is very significant, fredricka. what it means is that jack smith, as well as fanny willis are looking at any pressure that was exerted on governor kemp. and he's not the only governor. there was an inquiry into doocy, as well. with kemp you have the unusual situation of a federal indictment about to be brought pursuant to january 6th and then fanny willis is allegedly bringing another indictment in early august assuming that all of the various attempts at quashing it are unsuccessful. >> what do you suppose some of the questions will be for governor kemp from special counsel jack smith? >> well, jack smith will want to know exactly what kind of

>> i would say governor brian kemp is the head of our republican party. i'm in georgia.esident donald trump is not in office so i'll have to disagree with you on that one. >> will you support him if he becomes the rnc nomination? georgia has been a very important state. brian kemp has been a key part of the importance of that and has been looked at for a number of reasons chug parts of the congressional level. if he is the rnc nominee, will you support him as a republican? >> i would say that there are 12 candidates. i have been in office for two seconds as a republican. i have not looked at any of the candidates extensively because i was a former democrat so i was looking at what is president biden doing. so ask me again, invite me back in a few months if you want to ask that particular question. >> it will be the same one. thank you for joining us. thank you. >> thank you. >>> up next, everyone, country star jason aldean now defending the lyrics of his controversial new single, "try that in a small town." is the criticism valid? what is it about? so, we switched to tid

new reporting today that special counsel jack smith has contact georgia governor brian kemp as part of his investigation into the 2020 election aftermath. our colleague kaitlan collins confirmed that smith's team was in touch with governor kemp this week. now kemp's office is not saying much and the timing of a possible fbi interview or grand jury appearance is not clear right now. but governor kemp is a key figure in this investigation. that's because in 2020, donald trump privately and publicly pressured kemp to overturn the election in georgia. trump wanted kemp to interfere with the vote counting block certification of the results and convene a special session of the legislature to appoint fake electors. the special counsel is also in the process of scheduling interviews with additional witnesses. that includes a potential interview with a former trump lawyer and an interview with a long-time ally of rudy giuliani. all of this comes as possible indictments are looming. smith sent a target letter to trump last week signaling he might be charged with federal crime for trying to overt

. >> and yet, your former boss, the governor brian kemp. just on cnn last night.an collins if he would still support donald trump and work to get him elected if you were the nominee. he says that he will. why would he do that after everything you just laid out? >> we agree on a lot, but not that i will. never support donald trump. i can't look my kids, my wife my, friends, my supporters in the eyes and explain to them why i would ever think donald trump makes sense to lead anything. i wouldn't part put him in charge of a lemonade stand. >> and you understand why governor campwood? >> certainly brian has been a great leader. using him as an example we, should see these presidential candidates are they're trying to flail around and mince words, split hairs about donald trump. they have to take brian kemp's advice and, after you take the weekend off and go like to what he did to beat david perdue, that primary by 52% remember. , he was donald trump's best friend. he won by 52 points. then he's beat stacey abrams in a very wide open race. >> anna speaking, of the othe

special counsel jack smith has contacted georgia governor brian kemp as part of his long-running investigationnto the 2020 election aftermath. our colleague kaitlan collins confirmed that smith's team was in touch with kemp this past week. now kemp's office really is not saying much and the timing of a possible fbi interview or grand jury appearance for the governor is unclear. but kemp, make no mistake, is a key figure in this investigation. are that's because in 2020 donald trump both privately and publicly pressured kemp to overturn the election in georgia. trump wanted kemp to interfere with the vote counting, blocks certification of the results, and convene a special session of the legislature so that he could appoint fake trump electors. now, going beyond kemp, the special counsel is also still in the process of scheduling interviews with additional witnesses. this list of possible additional interviews includes the former trump lawyer and a long-time ally of rudy giuliani. all this comes as possible indictments in the case are looming. jack smith sent a target letter to trump last weeke

because brian kemp was america first. he was the maga agenda in the state of georgia.i point that out is trump is so antithetical to the way politics works, a trump endorsement is not going to make your career, a trump refute is not going to kill your career. are you in line with trump policies, that's what's going to matter to the american people, and and that showses you they are very loyal to donald trump right now. they think the indictments are unjust or at least unfair, but they're also not completely oblivious to the what policies are and how they're enacted and how people are affected by 'em. you can go to states like georgia and see politicians who are america first in their agenda that don't have a good relationship with donald trump and they're very popular. you can go to to states like south carolina and see a career politician who's viewed as a part of the military industrial complex establishment who probably sitses in a very different place than donald trump on ukraine, and even with donald trump standing there, they're like, no, we don't need you around

smith's prosecutors have also been in touch with georgia's republican governor brian kemp.ecall shortly after the election trump called the governor and tried to pressure him to overturn biden's victory in that state. there's also news about trump's final chief of staff mark meadows. this reportedly took part in that infamous phone call to georgia's top election officials in which the former president asked that official to, quote, find some 11,000 votes. the washington post reporting, federal prosecutors have been focusing on a text message meadows sent in which he mocks the baseless claim, that the large number of votes or fraudulently cast in the names of dead people. that was one of the many false claims trump said over and over about the 2020 election. and just a reminder, for facts sake, there was no capital and, capital o, evidence of widespread voter fraud of any kind in the 2020 election. was that, let's get smarter with the help of our leadoff panel on this monday night. sam stein is here, a veteran journalist and white house editor for politico. greg bluestein, a

when you look at georgia brian kemp got re-elected by 8 points, he ran a six-week ban, was part of thelatform. and he got re-elected and at the same time herschel walker is losing the senate race. >> i think you mentioning in the break kim reynolds had an 88% approval rating. what is going on in the minds of voters we are opposed to this signature issue, but we also support this government overwhelmingly? >> yeah, i thought georgia last year was such an interesting example because that clash between herschel walker and brian kemp, basically running on the same set of issues on the same ticket in the same state and one won easily and one lost. i think the wild card and x factor in 2022 donald trump, and it ended up kemp had that distance from trump and that walker didn't. and what swung swing voters in georgia in 2022, i think it was more the trump factor, the january 6th factor than it was the abortion factor just because kemp was poised to sign, you know, the six-week ban, and he got re-elected and herschel walker said i've got the same position and he lost. >> it was a personal relat

flip side or they copied almost word for word of what came out of stacey abrams group, because brian kemp was a secretary of state and he stayed in office for a period time and then he actually, you know, resigned and then robyn crittenton did that little six week period between then myself taking office in arizona. now, katie hobbs was the secretary of state and she was then finishing up, but she did not step out of office. but the same logic and now all of a sudden the republican side is saying, well, what's going on there? but you have to understand the office of secretary of state, we are not counting anything from directly counting, i guess i should say, because the work starts the precinct level. they report those results, then it bubbles up to the county election office and the county of 159 of our counties. send that office up to. and that's what you're seeing on election night, reporting is the the county results that we we just collect, collate and then put that there. and so the secretary of state can't do anything in effect that part of the results. and so that is just somethi

and that was with georgia governor, brian kemp.he lost the 2020 election. but he says that he would vote for donald trump again if he is the gop nominee. >> i think it might surprise some people if you work to get him elected given your history with him. >> i would ask a lot of people, i have people that say you just can't go there and do that. but i am thinking of the next president going to be picking, probably, another supreme court justice. and judges on the court of appeal and federal judgeships and dealing with those in our military, standing up to our adversaries around the world. and who would do want to be your president? >> what do you think of that logic? >> well, look, brian kemp said a good friend and somebody i admire was really involved in trying to help him and make sure he won that primary when donald trump was trying to oppose him. i don't begrudge him for having that opinion. he's entitled to that. there's a lot of people in the republican party that would vote for trump if he was the nominee. i don't have to be

out of atlanta the georgia governor is brian kemp.or your time today and good morning. >> good morning, bill. >> bill: we brought you to talk about a list of other things. with this breaking news i want to begin here. what do you make if true that he is the target of an indictment regarding january 6th? >> well listen, i certainly agree with a lot of the comments the speaker make about the american people wanting equal justice. i know a lot of conservatives like me frustrated by things like the new york indictment but there is no doubt these things are a distraction to the former president. i would just tell you if i was the prosecutor bringing these charges, he better have some damn good evidence if you go after a former president. we'll see as the process plays out. it is certainly a distraction from us beating joe biden. >> bill: you did an interview last night on another network. i want to ask you about a few of the things that you said. first, what's going on in fulton county? when would you expect the d.a. in your home county to

>> i would say that governor brian kemp is the head of our republican party.m in georgia and former president donald trump is not in office right now. so i'm gonna have to disagree with you on that there. >> will you support him if he becomes the rnc nomination? obviously georgia has been a very important state, brian kemp has been a key part of the importance of that's, and it has been looked at for a number of reasons, including what happens at the federal congressional level. if he is the rnc nominee, will you support him as a republican? >> i would say that there are 12 candidates, i have been in office for two seconds as a republican, i have not looked at any of the candidates extensively, because i was a former democrat. so i was looking at what is president biden doing? so ask me again and invite me back in a few months if you want to ask a particular question. >> it will be the same one. thank you for joining, us thank you, representative michel nader, thank you for joining us. >> thank you. >> up next, everyone, country star jason aldean now defending

you look at georgia, brian kemp got reelected by eight points. he ran on a six-week ban.t reelected and, at the same time, herschel walker is losing the senate race. >> how do you square that? you were mentioning in the, break kim reynolds, governor of iowa, has an 88% approval rating. what is going on in the minds of voters they could say, once we are opposed to the signature issue, but we also support this governor overwhelmingly? >> yeah, i thought georgia last year was such an interesting example. because that clash between herschel walker and brian kemp basically running on the same set of issues, on the same ticket, in the same state and would have won easily and one lost. the wildcard there and the x-factor ended up being in 22, donald trump. it ended up being that kemp had that distance from trump, and walker didn't. what swung swing voters in both georgia in 2022, it was more the trump factor, the january 6th factor, than it was the abortion factor. it is very interesting to me, camp was poised to sign the six-week ban. he got reelected, herschel walker said, i'v

your sense of what special counsel jack smith might be seeking from georgia governor brian kemp? what is it that he can offer to the doj? >> i have a big idea, because of course governor kemp became one of donald trump's top targets, last, year and in 2020, one after brian kemp refused donald trump's request for a special legislative session to overturn these 2020 defeats here in georgia. so he is going to certainly, i can only assume he is going to ask about the phone call that happened in december 2020 between governor kemp and then president trump. demanding that a special session take place. governor kemp at the time refused that, saying, look, this would lead to seize litigation and but stay trump senators, state lawmakers in a very tough position. at a time when the runoffs, the senate runoffs were not underway in georgia. that the resulted in the say victories from democratic challengers to republican incumbents. to flip control of the senate to the democratic party. so i think that is gonna be front and center, of course that turned governor kemp -- led to a republican pr

look at somebody like brian kemp in georgia. the party apparatus is hostile to him, but he won reelection handily. i think a smart politician knows how to play that. sometimes those party censures can help you win the general election. you can say, look, i'm willing to stand against the people in my party who do not want me to make compromise. look, i was willing to do that, maybe you should vote for me, because maybe my opponent is denying elections. i think brian kemp played it really smart in georgia, and i think that thom tillis can do the same thing. as for the future of the republican party, there are some divisions, as we talked about earlier, but there has always been divisions within the republican party. the reagan coalition was really built on trying to bring together different elements of the coalition, great fusionist project, as they call it. they took together the foreign policy conservatives and libertarians and the more religious or social conservatives, and they were all united in their fear of communism, for a

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, there are also reports that federal prosecutors have been in contact with georgia's governor, brian kempallies to overturn the 2020 election. reports in the washington post say a spokesperson for the governor confirmed investigators working for special counseljack smith had contacted mr kemp's office. trump notably allegedly attempted to pressure mr kemp and georgia's secretary of state brad raffensperger to help him overturn the results of that state in 2020 during a phone call. thank you for taking the time to speak with us. ijust thank you for taking the time to speak with us. i just want to speak with us. i just want to start off with speaking about the state of georgia. we heard dad that special counsel jack smith's offers have been reaching out to the governor about what might have taken place around those results for the 2020 election. —— office. how key do you think georgia will be when it comes to the legal threats that the former president is facing?- legal threats that the former president is facing? thank you. as hearing _ president is facing? thank you. as hearing their _ pr

this weekend, a spokesperson for georgia governor brian kemp confirmed in a statement that smith had contacted the governor's office too. the state of georgia has been conducting its own investigation into alleged election interference as well. one of trump's toughest critics in the gop primary, former new jersey governor chris christie, reserving judgment about potential charges until he can see the evidence, but laying faults for the violence on january 6th at trump's feet. >> he incited them by telling them the election had been stolen, and then he requested that they march up to the capitol. >> reporter: now, remember, trump missed a deadline to testify before the grand jury last thursday. but we know that additional witnesses including one current trump aide did appear. linsey. >> maryalice, thank you. >> linsey: still much more ahead on "world news tonight" this sunday. details just coming in on a possible fatal bear attack in montana near yellowstone national park. what we just learned. a summer evening takes a dramatic turn after a deck collapse in montana. i'm still tasting

, there are also reports that federal prosecutors have been in contact with georgia's governor, brian kempr trump and his allies to overturn the 2020 election. reports in the washington post say a spokesperson for the governor confirmed investigators working for special counseljack smith had contacted mr kemp's office. trump notably allegedly attempted to pressure mr kemp and georgia's secretary of state brad raffensperger to help him overturn the results of that state in 2020 during a phone call. live now to margaret talev, a senior contributor to the news website axios, and director of the institute for democracy, journalism and citizenship at syracuse university. thank you for taking the time to speak to us. i want to start speaking on torture we heard that special counseljack smith has been reaching out to the governor about what may have taken place around those results from the 2020 election. how key do you think the state of georgia will be when it comes to the legal threats of the former president is facing? thank ou. we former president is facing? thank yom we were _ former presid

. >> i want to ask you about an interview that our caitlyn collins did with georgia governor brian kemp no fan the way donald trump conducted himself after he lost the 2020 election. but he said that he would vote for donald trump again if he's the gop nominee. i think it would be a surprise that you helped to get him elected given your history with him. >> i would ask a lot of people, i have a lot of people that say, i cannot go there and do that. but i'm thinking about the next president is going to be picking probably another supreme court justice and judges on the court of appeals, a federal judgeships, and dealing with shrinking our military and standing up to our adversaries around the world. who would you want to be your president? >> what do you think of that logic? >> bryant kemp is a good friend and somebody i admire. i was involved in helping him to make sure that he won the primary when donald trump was trying to oppose him. i don't degrudge him for that opinion. there are a lot of people in the republican party that would vote for donald trump if he was the nominee. i just

candidates to challenge president trump, including virginia governor glenn youngkin org governor brian kemp? >> i think with former president trump taking up all the oxygen right now folks like youngkin about disinclined unless they see a chink in trump's armor an opportunity for him to slip. look. there is a lot of unknowns still; right? the potential impact of legal issues that trump is facing. i think it is early yet still to read too much into poll numbers regarding ron desantis to amber' point i think part of the problem with ron desantis seems inexperienced or unaware campaign team around him because do i believe running to the right of president trump is probably not what you want to be, if your idea to win general election. you've got to figure out a way to corral the independents all moderates who jumped off the trump boat in last election tire of chaos figure how to get those in the change makers, running to right of trump is probably not the way to bring them into the fooled. maria: yeah what do you think amber? yeah. i agree, the desantis campaign didn't properly seize on one mi

what has brian kemp done in florida? who is most effective?nk the track record, when you get rid of the ancillary stuff, if you run traditional candidates, you start looking at the back of the baseball card and gavin newsom falls on his face. terrible mayor and awful governor. >> ainsley: they don't think that. >> steve: right. i looked at their approval ratings and ron desantis, i think, was one or two points ahead of governor gavin newsom. they're in the same -- they're in the same ballpark when it comes to popularity. >> ainsley: yeah and completely different extremes. >> no kidding. >> brian: if you want a lot of homeless, gavin newsom can do that. >> ainsley: they love that, they have a heart for the homeless and immigrants. >> brian: rubber hitting the road, people see their lives being disrupted. >> ainsley: so extreme right now. >> steve: it is. >> brian: and crime, people will go, who is my democrat or republican. they will go who is responsible for my city falling apart? harassment or burglar that took place down the block. >> steve:

this is a trend and you see it with brian kemp in georgia, the continues to drift even and these midtermsnd some of these these key states toward the republican party and i don't see any way that the democrats are going to save at all. i don't see anything that indicates that is going to take place until they make some major changes. some of them are cultural and they do not want to make those cultural changes in their presentation. >> pete: tom, back to where we started, cannot let you off the hook. it's biden going to be due nominee in your crystal ball with all that you have seen? [laughter] >> answer is stuck with him right now. i agree. the fact that were so seeing these stories about gavin newsom and other democrats is because democrats like biden, support him, like his policies. want to give him a gold watch, because they have concern of the stamina, age, mental iq, and they are just stuck with them right now. >> pete: joe go over there. he cannot. thank you very much. great stuff. why do employees keep getting fired for attempting to thwart thieves who are looting their stories. t

for himself to say, to empathize with dog ducey and what he was doing, just as he called i'm sure brian kempther governors to get, what is the story on the ground and be able to go back to the president and say there is nothing to be done. but yet trump did not want to listen to any of that and he continued to do the, to the previous person's comment, harass the governors and other elected officials. >> let's move on to what cnn's kfile has unearthed, and i think we will all remember that in 2016, donald trump as a candidate was very concerned about having a potential president who could be under indictment. he talked about it a lot. here it is. >> we could very well have a sitting president under felony indictment and ultimately a criminal trial. it would grind government to a halt. if she were to win, it would create an unprecedented constitutional crisis that would cripple the operations of our government. >> well j, it settled. that's how he felt about hillary clinton. obviously he must feel that way about his own possible -- >> is this even a gotcha? the guy himself is a walking constit

republican governor brian kemp or glenn youngkin could be options.is new hampshire's republican governor chris sununu think about that? governor, welcome to you. >> thank you. >> sandra: what do you think about that? is there a possibility we could see new entrants here? >> there's a possibility. i'll tell you, brian and glen are two of the best governors in the country. they'd make great candidates. if you have to get in, you have to get in soon. we'll see who steps on the early debate stages, who can build momentum. who can take a punch and give a punch in the debates. it will be telling with the donor bases. they're very much sitting on the sidelines right now waiting to see who spurs up. most of the major donors on the republican side don't want to see trump. they have been clear about that but not seeing anybody surge forward. governor desantis has done a good job is far. he's maintaining that second place. and look, it's the former president. he's got the name i.d., the recognition, he's got the war chest, all of that. nobody should be surprise

georgia there is a board, where the governor cannot even be the one to pardon economic rely on brian kemp to do that in michigan and of course you have a democratic governor, in arizona you have a democratic governor. there may be other avenues for the prosecution that donald trump has to be concerned about. >> at two pm tomorrow we will all, certainly, be watching. kyle cheney, carolyn, renato mariotti, thank you for starting us off tonight. when we come back, joe manchin get close see, at least publicly, -- feeling fears of a possible third party presidential spoiler. and later, it features the cash flow crisis. kara for sure is here to talk the latest on elon musk's app and its rival, threads. the 11th hour just getting underway on a monday night. n a monday night an aarp medicare supplement insurance plan from unitedhealthcare. medicare supplement plans help by paying some of what medicare doesn't... and let you see any doctor. any specialist. anywhere in the u.s. who accepts medicare patients. so if you have this... consider adding this. call unitedhealthcare today for your free deci

result in another indictment against donald trump this weekend, a spokesman for georgia governor brian kemped the governor's office. though they declined to comment further on the matter. the news comes as fulton county prosecutor benny willis has singled that she may be ready to issue indictments on her own against trump in the next month or so. for his efforts to overturn the 2020 election results in georgia. and some legal experts believe that smith and willis teams are likely coordinating their investigations. now with all of this trump centered legal controversy surrounding georgia, what is like the vibe in the? state a lot of times, i have to ask you this. >> so, i mean, we have a sitting lieutenant governor who is one of our faith electors. the 16 electors, and we see what is happening in michigan. and i think that the people here, we want to make sure that we our deep va has the resources and has the protection that she needs. and we are waiting for this to all play out, because we had a front row seat to history as we defended our vote and people showed up in forced to make their v

. >> reporter: this is trump just hours after governor brian kemp declined his request. >> your governor could stop it very easily. if he knew what the hell he was doing. he could stop it very easily. >> donald trump was intimately involved in every process around trying to overturn this election. i mean, this was a granular ground game of epic proportion. this was somebody obsessed with overturning that election at all costs. >> reporter: up next -- >> why are you flying down from d.c. on december 3rd to the georgia state capitol for some nothing subcommittee hearing? >> dead people, felons -- >> reporter: rudy giuliani hijacks the georgia legislature. >> phony ballots. >> so he lied? >> yeah. to help keep you moving. uniquely designed with carbsteady to help manage blood sugar response. glucerna, bring on the day. ♪ (upbeat music) ♪ ( ♪ ) ( ♪ ) ( ♪ ) -awww. -awww. -awww. -nope. ( ♪ ) constant contact delivers the marketing tools your small business needs to keep up, excel, and grow. constant contact. helping the small stand tall. only at vanguard, you're more than just an investor, you