brian krebbs is one of those people not affiliated at all. i used that as a rule because it is hard for me to be surprised by those revelations. it -- i am sad by those revelations and i agree that there should be definitely consequences. but it also highlights to me there is a burden of collection and the burden of fiduciary duty that i don't think has been exactly put on the shoulders of the right people in the right places throughout the industry but i also think that the engineering if you would appeal back how all of those intrusions remained by someone like that, a lot of social engineering even within eight groups of people in that organization is a code of conduct that was breached and it was a code of conduct that was used against them so it's tough and i think when i take the education from that into my own context as a leader within my organization, i talk as much about being aware of sharing information and collecting information and also being polite and sharing information when people called you and ask you and that is where a l