. >> we spoke with the security researcher, brian krebs, who talked a little bit about the state of cyber war around the world. i want you to take a listen to what he had to say. >> i would argue that we're in a cyber war every day with other nations trying to get access to our research and development. we're talking about stuff that costs tens of billions of dollars over many, many years to develop, or you can just steal it. >> that was in response to a question, could a cyber war be world war iii. what would you have to say about the state of cyber warfare today, liam? is it world war iii already? >> well, when we saw stuffnet that, opened people's eyes to what's going on and what's going on. we had physical destruction of equipment. we continue to see these sorts of campaigns, large spy governments against other countries and against telecoms, against individuals, that are really capable of stealing absolutely everything on the computer. that's the world that we live in today. i wouldn't say it's world war iii, but certainly there are lots of countries doing this. they're very, very ca