john velakco is sit right with me and brian levin is the director for the center for the study of hate and extremism and the author of the book is it the limits of dissent." i assume you gentlemen will disagree. people bring guns. right now, they've been doing it a lot. assault rifle was brought to an event the other day. at one event, a dozen armed people at a presidential events. if you're the secret service, you've got to keep an eye on everybody with a gun. they're an loutd to carry the gun but you've got to look at them. we're going to need a hell ever a lot of agents if they keep doing this. why do they bring loaded guns to presidential events. >> these are law abiding citizens. >> why. >> they're making a statement. gun eveners have been vilified for so long and the target of so many retrikzs to take away their guns, we strict when and where they can carry them. they're making the point we're tired of the government trying to take our rights away. it's not just about health care. it's a bigger issue. >> what is the bigger issue. >> that the government wants to take away a lot of

. >> let me go to brian levin. what do you think of people bringing loaded pistols or, well, semiautomatic rifles to presidential events? >> well, look, this is not an issue about the second amendment or gun rights. here's what i mean. antonin scalia in the opinion d.c. versus heller which affirmed an individual right to private gun ownership said look, the second amendment is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner and for whatever purpose. i think it's absurd we should have guns now as jewelry or as a political sign when we have a fundamental right like gun ownership in the united states as covered by the second amendment. the government is still able to make reasonable measures with regard to restricting it. i think for presidential protection, it is entirely reasonable to extend the perimeter that guns are not allowed. we have to do that because it's just too risky for our head of state, irrespective whether it's george bush or barack obama, the fact of the matter is the supreme court