they do not confirm that it is brian nichols that they have inside, that brian nichols is holding a hostagenside. but i spoke to one of the public affairs officers of the gwinnett county police department and the officer told me they have nichols. >> we're getting word atf is telling fox news that nichols is in custody. >> nichols in custody. >> he's in custody. >> i'm great. i'm glad to hear that. that's great. >> here's the chevy. here's the chevy. they've got the s.o.b., there he goes. there he goes. all right, they've got him. >> they got the s.o.b., that's what you heard our own geraldo rivera saying back in 2005 describing the action from what turned out to be a ringside seat in the capture of brian nichols and the unfolding saga of ashley smith. in fact, geraldo got to the scene so quickly he arrived before a lot of the federal agents and was reporting live on fox news channel as the officers were still rolling up. geraldo joins us now. how did you find yourself in the very heart of the story? >> i was interviewing the attorney at his office. now, remember that nichols wiped out anyb

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brian: back in the 1980's they had something called the goldwater nichols bill that passed and changed the structure of the military. out of that, the chief of naval operations no longer answers directly to the president. or the combatant commanders -- adm. howard: the four service chiefs make up the joint chiefs of staff. brian: you are not on that, though. adm. howard: when the chief of naval operations is on travel, then i move in and represent naval matters on the joint chiefs of staff, in that forum. so, the four chiefs help formulate that advice for the chairman to give to the president. and it has become a process over decades as the law has changed. and it is significant now because the chairman by law when he provides advice to the president, if any of the chiefs has a dissenting opinion he is required to provide that dissenting opinion to the president of the united states and the secretary of defense. so the chiefs provide context and in some cases that collection of operational experience and wisdom for the chairman to help develop that military advice. brian: you've been i