one that got a lot of attention today concerned retired navy commander brian nishimura.ow, he pleaded guilty to transferring classified data to a personal computer and got himself a fine and two years' probation. navy officer lyle white also moved classified materials to a personal hard drive but admitted he knew he should not, and he was fined $10,000, sentenced to two months in confinement. john deutsch, former head of the cia, needed to be pardoned by president bill clinton to escape similar charges. one major difference between these cases and hillary clinton's was that these men ultimately admitted they knew the classified materials were indeed vulnerable. joining me now, shannon coffin, former former doj. and matthew miller, w. good to see you both. let me start with you, matthew, as somebody who used to defend this justice department, not ms. lynch's, but mr. holder's, on whether you believe -- i mean because here's what the critics say. they say that this statute requires gross negligence. that's what had to be proven. and they say, you know, director comey's sta