we're very pleased to be joined now by brian o'driscoll and tech entrepreneur. ry excited to have you on. guy: yes fran's husband was -- quite excited. brian, why a rugby app? where did this come from? where did you get involved in this? >> when i was still playing and ray was part of the young entrepreneurial set-up and we were partnered together because from a mentor point of view where i could gain some ideas and some skills from him and his field and just the experience going into the next -- the age of whatever my career might be. we started banging heads and ray is a rugby fan and i'm obviously a fan as well as being a player. we decided there was no one app encompassing of all rugby. 1.3 million download s. 600 to 800 monthly views. it is going great and with the world cup going now, it is a very exciting time for us. francine: can rugby actually overtake football? >> i don't think so but there is a huge audience. if you take the last five years the groth of audience share rugby is huge. now you're talking about the stadiums regularly featuring rugby match