i mean, frankly, people like brian sewell and waldemarjanuszczak have dismissed your work with contemptes, that's true. but...i am interested in where this feeling of yours comes from, that you're outsiders and that you're against... that the whole of the art world is against you... we never said that. we have enormous support from the art world. good heavens. we're feted wherever we go. you didn't know that? here's a quote from you, "in the art world, we once "said we were thatcherites. "it was the worst thing we could say. "it was like saying that you're a nazi paedophile or something. "they will never forgive us for that," you said. "the art world is full of left—wingers who want "to be millionaires." that's true. that's still true as well. they all became millionaires. if you say you're conservative to the taxi driver or the waiter, it'sjust an opinion. it's only in the art world they throw up their arms in amazement. it's quite silly. it is interesting... after all, we... i mean, we were working—class people, starting out with nothing. it was an extraordinary journey that we did. a