. >> you wrote in the book that graham snapped at the mother of fallen capitol police officer brian sicknick who suffered two strokes hours after defending the capitol. >> that was pretty shocking. first of all, the fact that you would yell at a woman who had suffered so much loss. her son died as a result of defending the capitol on january 6th. all she was saying in the meeting was that she felt like donald trump was responsible. i had never witnessed somebody defend donald trump in public or in front of me like that and i thought that behavior from a senator was disturbing. and again, it goes back to the indifference that these people showed myself and all the other officers that day. i didn't talk about it much in the book, but i would be lost not the mention mitch mcconnell. you know, while myself and harry dunn and mrs. sicknick were going to meet these senators, mitch mcconnell couldn't meet with us. he was too busy. he offered to send a junior staffer to meet with the mother of a fallen police officer. then he made phone calls to all of these senators asking for favors that they vote

kevin mccarthy is being as crafty as ever in that conversation we just heard with the mother brian sicknickwatching tv, fact how can you know that he. can't seem. we are under siege here at the capitol, you need to call and tell people. what are you talking about kevin mccarthy, have to say which kevin mccarthy are we talking about. as a lieutenant mccarthy said, kevin mccarthy one point always on us. he's had a truck conversation with trump, call your people off. he said trump was responsible, unfortunately that iteration of kevin mccarthy lasted about a week or so. he then goes down to mar-a-lago, couple weeks later, kisses the rain, comes out of it, kevin mccarthy aspiring speaker of the house. he has no credibility, he's in a cover-up mode, he's an image reparation mode. >> it's not hard for me to believe that the president was lying to him. was one part of the conversation that was overheard where they said they thought will maybe you should be a little bit more upset as well. >> who said? the trump of that to mccarthy? >> maybe you should be a little bit more upset. >> i think we are

. >> reporter: the mother of officer brian sicknick, who died of natural causes a day after the attack, was also in the meeting, and asked mccarthy why then-president trump didn't call off the mob. >> he knew what was going on. ;he knew they were fighting for ;hours and hours and hours. >> reporter: in his new book, published by an imprint of simon & schuster-- like cbs, a division of paramount-- fanone describes the physical violence officers faced in a separate meeting with republican lindsey graham, who responded, "you guys should have shot them all in the head." >> when you have a sitting u.s. senator who doesn't even understand basic police policy, that's a problem. >> reporter: meanwhile, former president trump's campaign rally sparked controversy over the weekend, when alabama senator tommy tuberville made this remark about democrats, which the n.a.a.c.p. called "flat-out racist." >> they want crime because they want to take over what you got. they want to control whatyou have. they want reparation, because they think the people that do the crime are owed that! >> reporter: no r

. >> reporter: the mother of officer brian sicknick, who died of natural causes a day after the attackn the meeting, and asked mccarthy why then-president trump didn't call off the mob. >> e kne he hting for >> reporter: in his new book, published by an imprint of simon & schuster-- like cbs, a division of paramount-- fanone describes the physical violence officers faced in a separate meeting with republican lindsey graham, who responded, "you guys should have shot them all in the head." >> when you have a sitting u.s. senator who doesn't even understand basic police policy, that's a problem. >> reporter: meanwhile, former president trump's campaign rally sparked controversy over the weekend, when alabama senator tommy tuberville made this remark about democrats, which the n.a.a.c.p. called "flat-out racist." >> they want crime because they want to take over what you got. they want to control what you have. they want reparation, because they think the people that do the crime are owed that! bull ( bleep )! >> reporter: no response to our request for comment from senators tuberville and

capitol police officer, brian sicknick, who collapsed the night of january six, after fighting off riotersurs. he died the next day. at their we saw mr. sicknick react that way to the subpoena being a voice and voted on in the room, we reached out to ken sicknick today to ask what was going through his mind in that moment. he told us that he was surprised in that moment. he was pleased. he also says he expects nothing will ultimately come of it. in his words, he told us, quote, i am not holding my breath. he says that he believes that after all the public hearings, there is no way that anybody can deny trump is responsible. that is why we got from him today, oh wow, in that moment. our special primetime recap of today's january six hearing continues in a moment. committee member jamie raskin will join us live here next, stay with us. looks pretty bad. try this robitussin honey. the real honey you love, plus the powerful cough relief you need. mind if i root through your trash? robitussin. the only brand with real honeyand elderberry. we planned well for retirement, but i wish we had more c

and the lives of the individuals in the building but also the indifference he showed towards brian sicknick's mother, gladys sicknick. this is the mother of a fallen police officer, a dead police officer, and many of these people like kevin mccarthy. and in one particular instance lindsey graham, you know, took an adversarial position with this woman who was looking for answers. >> i mean, indifference is one word for it. but i think what's so striking on the outside of this is, there's a reporting today that on january 6, mccarthy is on the phone with president trump saying they're trying to effing kill me. this is someone terrified for his own life and then can't acknowledge publicly what happened that day. is that indifference? or is that aiding and abetting someone who is trying to tear down american institutions? i wonder if i would describe more nefarious motives who so clearly understood the stakes that day, the danger, the peril, not just individually but the country, but in the months since has done anything but lead on the issue? >> i mean, i would describe it to -- i don't know if

his name was brian sicknick.wn words. >> watching tv. >> he knew what was going on. he knew what was going on. he knew they were fighting for hours and hours and hours. you know, just -- [ inaudible ] >> i don't know that he did know that. >> fanone felt compelled to make this recording because he didn't know if kevin mccarthy would say publicly what he said. here is how fanone described making this decision and why he felt it was important to actually make these tapes. here he is. >> i'm glad i recorded it. that's why i recorded it because i didn't expect kevin mccarthy to number one, tell the truth, number two, recount the conversation accurately and number three, i wanted to show people how indifferent lawmakers are not just republican lawmakers but all la rwmakers t the actual american people they are venting. >> victor, the tapes show fanone confronting mccarthy for his statements that day and pushing hard for accountability. >>> the l.a. city counsel president has now resigned after leaked audio revealed he

the mother of slain officer brian sicknick was also there.didn't know, trump had no idea who was doing it and what was happening at the capitol. wasn't watching tv. remember mccarthy's desperate call urging trump to call off the -- >> he's watching television. he's watching it with his family. i mean, what the hell kind of man is this? i'm sorry. >> when i called him, he wasn't watching tv. he wasn't with his family. >> he knew what was going on. he knows this he were fighting for hours and hours and hours. >> i'm just telling you from my phone call i don't know that he did know that at that point. >> literally all he does is watch tv. this is all trump does and did. officer fanone of course was beaten, tased, attacked repeatedly on january 6th protecting kevin mccarthy among others. he suffered a heart attack. he slammed mccarthy for his lack of leadership and inaction. >> you've got a platform to call out the b.s. the president's statements that day were b.s. saying -- you know, you were on the phone with him. while you were on the phone wi

officer harry dunn who defended the capitol that day and mother of late capitol police officer brian sicknick claims the former president didn't know there was any violence inside the capitol on that day but as you likely remember, testimony to the january 6th committee revealed he did know because he was watching hours of coverage on the violence from the white house. here's what officer fanone recorded from his meeting with mccarthy. >> wasn't watching tv. >> he knew what was going on. he knew what was going on. he knows they were fighting for hours and hours and hours. you know, just doesn't make any sense to me. >> i don't know that he did know that. >> that audio and other moments from that meeting are detailed in michael fanone's new book titled "hold the line: the insurrection and one cop's battle for america's soul" and michael fanone joins us now. i got to say reading in your book the account of this meeting with mccarthy, it was hard not to get very upset just listening to what you were saying, what officer sicknick's mom was saying and the way that kevin mccarthy was trying to esse

. >> by the way, that was the voice of the late brian sicknick's mother there.were clearly angry and incredulous in that meeting and used a lot of colorful language, as well. what do you want us to take away from these recordings? >> the overall takeaway is this. the experience that i had with meeting with members of congress. unfortunately, while it was primarily republican members and it was members on both sides of the aisle was indifference. indifference to me. indifference towards the mother of an officer who died as a result of fulfilling his oath and his duty on january 6th and indifference to law enforcement officers in general, and i think ultimately, that's the big takeaway from my book is that there's a lot of potential dangers in trump and his followers, but ultimately, i think what's going to be our downfall as america is our indifference. our indifference to the pain that was caused by donald trump to so many different americans, and our indifference to our neighbors' experience. >> you mentioned the price, the high price you've had to pay by simpl

officers who had defended the capitol on january 6th along with the mother of the officer of brian sicknicke attack. the meeting came as a number of house republicans were attempting to downplay the attack at the capitol. former dc police officer michael manone decided to secretly record the situation and nbc news has obtained a copy of that recording. >> this rhetoric is going to push us back into another violent political experience like we had on january 6th. >> if we don't handle it in a political way, i don't believe it happens again. >> i mean unfortunately -- >> we treat it like -- >> listen, kevin, i agree you with. the problem is, it is political. because it happened here on capitol hill. and it involved a political movement. it involved a group of extremist white right wing element of our, you know, american society, which was mobilized by politicians. and that's just a fact. >> and that's just a fact, he says. with me now, here in the studio is nbc's ali vitali, i want to underscore when this recording was made. june, 2021. so this is five months after, more than five months prob

but also the indifference that he showed towards brian sicknick's mother, gladys. the mother of a fallen police officer, a dead police officer, and many of these people you know took an adversarial position with this woman who was you know, looking for answers. >> denver riggleman, can you imagine what it would mean for kevin mccarthy to be the speaker of the house? we know he would much likely dismantle the january 6th committee. and probably launch a rival investigation to try to attack people. people like the person you just saw there. people who defended the capitol that day. maybe democratic leaders and others who were on this committee. >> yeah. i've wondered if there's going to be a committee to investigate the committee. i'm happy to participate on the other side. we know what the data says. when you look at mike fanone, who i've talked to, and gladys and sandra and harry, it makes you sick to your stomach there's any indifference to what capitol police go to. my god. i was in the military. i got a love for law enforcement personnel. they took an oath and w

brian sicknick wrote a wonderful book called when helping hurts, where he deals with flipping oua philanthropicnd really empowering people and dignifying them by treating them as not just as recipients, right, so i'm going to drop my gift on your head but rather as someone with whom i want to exchange. and so it's an important kind of paradigm shift that a think we all need to think about in a philanthropic models. so i will stop there and they will get started with the questions. >> actually. i think that deserves a round of applause. [applause] very happy to be here with both marcus and rachel. you guys did an amazing job with this book. we cannot underscore that enough. it is a very thorough and, quite frankly, in-depth vision of an understanding of black america not only in terms of history but also of the present day one in which even those of us who have grown up in those communities who are of that community and i've been through that school system quite frankly don't always get as in-depth with that. so just giving you that off the top. with that being said we are not in the midst of ce

the individuals that were in the building, but also the indifference that he showed towards brian sicknick'smother of a fallen police officer, dead police officer, and many of these people, you know, took an adversarial position with this woman who was, you know, looking for answers. >> jacky, this testimony, and it was the first public testimony that the committee featured before it started the -- the summer of highly produced testimony with the taped depositions interspersed, in some ways it's never been answered. i mean no, one has ever really had an explanation for how they would hold the 19 republican members of congress accountable who came to the white house, cassidy hutchinson testified about them planning and plotting to overthroat will of the voters in the roosevelt room. the defiance of kevin mccarthy to answer any questions about that phone call that everybody knows happened because one of his own colleagues talked about it, the tapes that have come out of him talking to members saying that impeachment would be fast enough so that the 25th amendment is probably the way to go. whe

this is the mother of officer brian sicknick who died later asking congressman mccarthy about what formerrump was doing while her son was being attacked at the capitol. >> watching television, watching it with his family. i'm sorry. >> wasn't watching tv. >> you know what was going on. knows fighting for hours and hours and hours. >> i don't know that he did know that at that point. >> kevin mccarthy running interference for former president trump to the mother of an officer who died later. have any of these republicans privately reached out to you? has anyone apologized to you, checked in on you? do you get any of that from any members of congress? >> no. with the exception of a few i've made friends with. adam kinzinger, eric swalwell. no. i mean, i -- that was another part of this experience. specifically the meeting that i had with kevin mccarthy. seeing the indifference on behalf of republican members of congress, but in many cases democrat members of congress, too. in which they saw january 6th as either a distraction from their legislative agenda. not politically advantageous, and