doctors said brian sicknick suffered several strokes hours after protecting the united states capitolioters. joining us now is the late officer's mother and his brother. thank you very much for being us. >> thank you for having us on. >> i want to start, i'm down in washington normally, i've seen you guys at the january 6th hearing, you had a very strong presence in d.c. and this indictment was different than everything we've seen, what was your reaction to it, gladys in. >> it made feel good that something good came out of it. i want to thank jack smith for doing what he did and the january 6th committee, if it wasn't for them this wouldn't have happened. this would have been swept under the rug and so, i'm just hoping that it helps with, you know, for closure. for especially the police officers that were hurt. >> you talked a lot not wanting brian's death to be forgotten and for it to stand for something and all the good that he was in world, what gets you to that? how do we get there? >> i don't know. i'm having a hard time before we came on air, brian's birthday would have been la

michael cohen in a civil case against donald trump and mark zaid is representing the state of brian sicknicklawsuit against trump. dania, to the argument being made by mr. loro there, trump's counsel, frespeech. say what he said and in the to indictment he said he had a right like every american even to declare falsely the outcome of the determination of fraud and he had one. >> what's the prosecutor's way around that? >> i think that's a strong man argument. if he had been charged with inciting an insurrection, for example, there might be a first amendment defense. the charges were crafted very carefully here and skirted that issue. so the question really is not whether or not the former president believed that the election was stolen and we'll put a pin on that because it is very clear from the four corners of the indictment that he didn't believe that, but was anything done in furtherance of the scheme to overturn the results of the election? and here there are so many allegations about, for example, the false slate of electors. so i think the question more is did the president, at the ti

referring to brian sicknick who died of natural causes caused by the january 6th attack and some of thed had a long impact. one officer was saying she had a lot of trouble speaking about what happened on january 6th and felt it was important at this point. as you're looking at these historic sentences. the members of the proud boys really did anticipate a lot of that. the judge has been going through some rulings just now in court denying some of the motions the proud boys have made and going through a lot of the evidence. there was a lot of talk the proud boys had ahead of the attack about what could happen that day. this phrase riling up the normies, referring to the conservatives that -- excuse me, has come up frequently. we could see a pretty lengthy sentence. >> okay. thank you so much for that report. meantime coming up, we have new details about the jacksonville shooting. what one security guard saw in the moments leading up to that attack. guard saw in the moments leading up to that attack my frequent heartburn had me taking antacid after antacid all day long but with prilosec o

the officer brian sicknick, woo was murdered by that mob, terrible, brutal day.t's really what this is about. when we talk about the politics of this, we talk about the legal procedure, let's not forget the extreme violence that occurred because donald trump incited that mob. let's not forget that justice must be served for those victims, and justice must be served for the american people. the voters who tried to have that election stolen tromthem, deserve justice here too. >> congressman kildee, i spoke with one of actually a couple of the police officers who were there that day who testified before the january 6th house committee, including officer michael fanone, now a former d.c. metro police officer. he suffered severe injuries on that day, concussion and also a heart attack. it has impacted his life forever. i'm sure it's impacted your life forever. he said experience, his experience with learning of this indictment was like taking a load off, that to him, it re-enforced the old adage, no one is above the law, and provided some proof that the system isn't t

that donald trump is seeking to have a lawsuit brought by the estate of capitol police officer brian sicknick january 6th after the insurrection, put on hold because of the 2020 election criminal case that he's facing. does that make sense to you? >> well, i don't know. it depends if the evidence in the one case might impact the evidence in another case. and i suppose it would. the civil case is going to have to show much of the same video, call many of the same witnesses. and it may be that the government, in fact, wants to go forward with the criminal case first and not have the same people testify. because if they testify, you know, then you can use their testimony to cross examine them. so, there may be a good reason to hold up on the civil case. >> judge shine lan, it's great to have you on the program. kaitlan collins as well. we're of course going to keep a close eye on the georgia courthouse. >>> breaking news in the death toll from the hawaiian wildfires has risen again. and the governor says it could be dramatically higher, sadly, in the coming days. we'll have the latest as we awai