i stood up and said, my name is brian stephenson, i am the lawyer.he judge started laughing, the prosecutor started laughing, i made myself laugh. my client came in, a young white kid. we did the hearing and i thought what is it when this judge sees a middle-aged black man at the counselor table it didn't even occur to him he was a lawyer. what that is is a way to his history there to has shaped these events. that is true all over this country. charlie: let's assume we do everything better. how long the you think it will take to get it out of our dna? bryan: we are at a disadvantage because we have let a lot of valuable time go by. i think it can come sooner than most people expect. are really not programmed with this kind of division, this kind of otherness, this kind of tension, this kind of racial thinking area that is something we have had to learn. i think if we push people to free themselves from it we will see some amazing angst. meetingalready seen a -- already seen amazing things, we just haven't seen enough. some of that in balkans. where y