. >> civil rights lawyer, brian stevenson, is one of the nation's leading prison reform advocates. >> i think we have hundreds of thousands of people in prison who are not a threat to public safety. >> is it about safety, or is it about punishment? >> i think we have created a culture that makes it entirely about punishment. >> and you might be surprised who else thinks mass incarceration is a problem, the people who run louisiana's prison system. >> and i think nation-wide, you know, we lockup people too long and too many of them. >> seth smith is the director of operations for louisiana's department of corrections. >> it's not working. it's not giving us the results that we want. it's costing a lot of money. we send people to prison that aren't necessary a danger to society and we keep people that their time for danger is over. they're no longer a threat. >> he says it is time to rethink prison from simply punishment to rehabilitation. you say it is about rehabilitation but a lot of americans think it should be punishment. >> we could make somebody worse. >> but as i'm about to hear

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stevenson fox. it just doesn't look good. does it have it? and now it's absolutely shocking. so if the trace be now and we've seen huge amounts of brian for them, we still have to neither watches, enforce across parts of southern new york, southern areas of new england. so i can look at the broader picture. you can see that lots massive cloud and in there we have got either tucked in, of course i was the pastor, well, the days this is the storm just making his way up towards the northeast corner through the tennessee valley. and we have seen vast amounts of rainfall, of course, on that storm, as he was saying earlier, that's the position of the system. now, they're just easing up a cross towards new england, middle, grassy went up towards a canadian maritime. we'll just throw some numbers that you knew it seen 250 millimeters of rain in the space of just 24 hours. compare that with the september average with a specter and $97.00 millimeters of rain. so staggering amounts of rainfall push up into new york. laguardia airport reported a $175.00 millimeters of rainfall in 24 hours. in the space of 6 hours. we only had what we had $152.00