and brian tyler cohen, author of shameless republicans deliberate dysfunction and the battle to preserveocracy. he's also the host of no lie with brian tyler cohen. it's great to have all of you with us. amara, i'll start with you. i mean, we've heard the phrase dei, and it's truly remarkable how republicans, and certainly trump, have recast and rebranded and rewrote what dei means. they have associated with woke, whatever that means. and now they've completely managed to erase it from aspects of our life and our government. >> well, i think that what's really important here is the fact that why is dei a thing? why was it created in the first place? and it's because we know that the laws on the books against discrimination on race or on gender or on disability are not enough that you have to match those things with action. thinking about recruitment, thinking about making workplaces safe, thinking about how you talk about your products and roll them out in the world are complete institutional culture. and we essentially had dei as a focus in the united states for four years out of almost