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i'll be asking her as well, when bridget phillipson.her as well , when exactly asking her as well, when exactly labour plans to put that on private school fees. stay welcome back to the camilla tominey show on gb news. bridget phillipson is in the studio. the woman hoping to be the next education secretary. lovely to see you. especially in the flesh. always to best do interviews. and we can see each other because we're often looking at each other down the camera lens. let's speak. first of all, it's you. labour has released an interesting press released an interesting press release today, quoting pat mcfadden, who's sort of spearheading the labour campaign. so saying that this talk of a supermajority isn't quite right, are you mistrusting the polling and suggesting that labour aren't as ahead, or you're worried about people not turning out for labour? what's all this about? >> so polls are a snapshot in time, but there is huge variation in terms of the outcomes that different pools are pointing to. and we know that there are lots of vot

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>> bridget phillipson yeah, bridget phillipson is with me now.ridget phillipson, thank you forjoining me on gb news. there's a poll just dropped from election calculus to find out. now forecasting a huge majority for your party. 250, tory is down to third place with just six mps. john 450 people you would have imagined never getting back into parliament when these seats were selected , looked like they could selected, looked like they could be on their way into parliament next friday. what's your reaction? >> well, we've had a lot of polls during this campaign, and my advice to voters would be to not pay too much attention to those polls. there is big variation between them in terms of outcome. you know, one poll, for example, had 175 seats that were too close to call . so my were too close to call. so my message is if the people want change, the only way to make that happen is to go out and vote for it. nothing is decided. nothing is a done deal. and there are still a lot of people who i know are considering how they're going to vote and haven't

i think you hear that from bridget phillipson this morning.ew, and i think the reason for that is that it's perfectly clear the game is up for the snp. what are the scottish people now need is not an snp led government thatis need is not an snp led government that is going to go head to head the entire time with the uk government, they need scottish people in a newly elected labour government that will get benefits for scotland. the snp has become structurally irrelevant to the scottish people. so, that, just to make a point, secondly, absolutely central, i'm sorry to keep going on about this, philip, we didn't talk about a silver bullet, the task of turning around this economy is a long—term one, not a short—term one. yes, we can make quick changes. yes, we can take some early steps to change things in our health service, our schools, fighting crime on the streets. but everything we want to do in the long term depends on turning around and rebuilding our economy, and that has to be central to what a new labour government does.— to be central

as bridget phillipson was saying, if people want _ phillipson was saying, if people want change in thehey are going to _ want change in the country they are going to have to go and vote for it. is going to have to go and vote for it. is that _ going to have to go and vote for it. is that really the case? we've had philip hammond saying the die was cast ages ago. isn't this just classic tactics from labour to get the boat out? i classic tactics from labour to get the beat out?— the boat out? i don't think it's a tactic, i the boat out? i don't think it's a tactic. i think — the boat out? i don't think it's a tactic, | think it's _ the boat out? i don't think it's a tactic, i think it's an _ the boat out? i don't think it's a l tactic, i think it's an observation, that if_ tactic, i think it's an observation, that if people do not go out and actually— that if people do not go out and actually vote, you will not get the change _ actually vote, you will not get the change of — actually vote, you will not get the change of government we need after 14 years. _ change of government we need af

bridget phillipson said she will make sure that head teachers in england keep phones out of schools ifof the labour party at the election. the scottish government has guidance coming on this shortly. would you give schools a similar instruction, should head teachers keep phones out of scottish classrooms? we are looking very carefully at this issue because as your interview with bridget phillipson demonstrated, there are a range of different perspectives on this question. some teachers believe having phones available to young people assess the education process, others believe it is very disruptive to classroom cohesion and the cohesion of schools. there is a careful route to be constructed here, and we are working closely with the education system to make sure we have firm and clear guidance in place, because we cannot have a situation where mobile phone technology is disruptive to the education process, and we must ensure that we are supporting teachers and the education profession, and making sure that the objectives we have for the education system are properly and fully realised b

so bridget phillipson has suggested that she hasn't ruled out.te that she would scrap these guidelines. but she's very much hinted that labour would want to change them, she says, because they contain unnecessary language or to talk about this is maya forstater, who's the chief executive officer and co—founder of sex matters . maya, co—founder of sex matters. maya, thanks for joining me. co—founder of sex matters. maya, thanks forjoining me. what's your reaction to this? i mean , your reaction to this? i mean, do these guidelines contain quotes unnecessary language, i think there's been quite a lot of confusion about this. >> so i think what bridget phillipson was talking about was the not the guidance on teaching children about sex and gender, which comes under seesahai , which comes under seesahai, which comes under seesahai, which there has been, guidance . which there has been, guidance. but the guidance on what schools do when they have a child who says, i think i'm in the wrong body or i feel unhappy . vie, and body or i feel unhappy. vie,

bridget phillipson increase.illipson denied that today, but labour have been very much caught up in that row. something no parent wants to see is an increase in class sizes. meanwhile, the conservatives have been trying to talk about their new policing plan. 8000 bobbies on the beat, funded by higher rates for students . it's coming here si students. it's coming here si king health care and also a tax on immigrants coming over here and working. that's that's what the conservatives want to talk about. but of course, the d—day gaffe, if we can call it that, has spread now into day four. that's all that the conservatives are really having to talk about. and chris philp, the policing minister, joined penny mordaunt this morning in saying that he thought it was a huge mistake for the prime minister. the prime minister is really, really struggling to shrug this one off. so we're at the start of manifesto week. we're seeing the conservatives manifesto launch tomorrow. labour launched on thursday, but at the moment neith

now, bridget phillipson , the shadow education phillipson, the shadow education secretary, of course, because in fact, the birth rate is falling. there is more capacity. there are empty classrooms . now, are empty classrooms. now, i would just say, sure, the birth rate has fallen. there are empty classrooms at the lower end, but with older children , schools are with older children, schools are really pretty full. so it might be different for the little ones. but anyway, talking about empty classrooms, labour announcing a plan today for 100,000 extra, childcare places, basically using 3000 classrooms that are not being used or underused to have nurseries in primary schools. and they're also pledging free breakfast clubs for primary school. pupils and they're saying that this is going to be paid for by, by, yes, vat on private school fees. that, of course, has also been, earmarked to pay for 6500 new teachers. so not clear if it's really going to raise as much money as labour thinks it is. but it also, i think, just worth saying, the conservative had a massive offer on childcare . in m

this was put to the shadow education secretary bridget phillipson. it secretary bridget phillipson.t source on dealing — will focus directly at source on dealing with the issues, so our border— dealing with the issues, so our border security, and will have an extra _ border security, and will have an extra 1000 — border security, and will have an extra 1000 officers to deal with the gangs. _ extra 1000 officers to deal with the gangs, seek to smash the gangs, but it is scandalous that we are spending millions of pounds every day on _ spending millions of pounds every day on unsuitable accommodation. we have got— day on unsuitable accommodation. we have got you clear the backlog. the conservatives have completely broken the asylum _ conservatives have completely broken the asylum system. they know themselves that this rwanda gimmick is hot _ themselves that this rwanda gimmick is not going to work. we have heard from _ is not going to work. we have heard from the _ is not going to work. we have heard from the home secretary, the fruity language _ from the home secretary, the fruity l

bridget phillipson . yeah. right. bridget phillipson. yeah. rsity she went to ? went to? >> i don't know where bridget went, but i know oxford from sunderland oxford oxford university. >> is she the wrong kind of person . yeah okay. but i don't person. yeah okay. but i don't think she had a private school. no. she went to hertford college. yeah. >> yeah, she went to hertford college. i think she got in there by her own merit. if we're seriously saying that meritocracy a working class people who earn positions at universities that are traditionally full of privately educated, posh boys, are we seriously saying that's a bad thing? all right, david lammy, we want david lammy. >> do you know where he where he studied? i don't know , harvard. studied? i don't know, harvard. harvard. he studied in a college in harvard . is harvard. he studied in a college in harvard. is he the harvard. he studied in a college in harvard . is he the wrong kind in harvard. is he the wrong kind of person? i mean, it's coming from his mouth. yeah i don't keir starmer i m

bridget phillipson, the shadow education secretary, has called that desperate nonsense.to the state sector. the ifs put that figure at between 17,000 and 40,000. the conservatives are arguing that will push up class sizes in the state sector. labour are pointing to the same ifs analysis and saying, well, actually, the ifs don't think that will be the case because they say that the number of children on school rolls is falling over time. the other thing about this that the conservatives are keen to pick up on today is an interview with bridget phillipson that she did with the sun's never mind the ballots programme, where she was pushed on whether vat would be put on nursery fees where private schools run nurseries. she said that was not labour's plan, but she didn't quite rule it out. the conservatives have sort of seized on that to say, well, look, that could be something that labour does down the line. again, in terms of pushing that tax messaging, they've decided to name that the �*toddler tax�*. so that's what we'll get i think a bit more of today. helen, in terms of

it's when it comes to the idea, because we're talking here about bridget phillipson.ng the teaching of gender ideology in schools. that is something that i think a lot of people feel very viscerally opposed to just onset because they think, hang on, no, there is no one size fits all to this. and just to just impressionable age, just touch upon conversion therapy because as i as i mentioned in my introduction, it seems that there is a conflict. >> if you ban conversion therapy, there are many medical practitioners who think they will not be able to give advice to children investigating why that child wants to change gender or thinks it does, because fundamentally it's about talking to a child and saying, are you sure about this? >> it's about talking through these things. and that comes under the umbrella of what counts as conversion, because you are trying to convert them verbally and the reality is actually that the majority of children who say that they are trans at some point revert back to what they said they were before the overwhelming majority, but not all. you

over private schools with emily thornberry being slapped down this morning by bridget phillipson.elling it as it is if, if mums and dads take their children out of private schools, they've got to go somewhere and you can witter on about a falling birth rate as much as you like. if a 14 year old is taken out of a private school, they've got to find a space. and i'm not aware of all these, schools which have got, plenty of spaces for them . of spaces for them. >> no labour have been, vague, to say the least , on what will to say the least, on what will happenin to say the least, on what will happen in those circumstances. i think they're kind of crossing their fingers and hoping it doesn't come to pass. but. yeah. what emily thornberry said yesterday rather let the cat out of the bag. i saw bridget phillipson this morning saying that she had misspoken, but if you actually watched the interview, she didn't misspeak. she knew exactly what she did. she knew exactly what she did. she was saying it was very uncomfortable. i think for the labour party, they'd rather that she didn't say it

yes. >> clearly it was something that caught bridget phillipson out, i suspect, and she wasn't clearl do. and it just bnngs what labour will do. and it just brings a lot of uncertainty to the classroom. it brings a lot of uncertainty to teachers. we need a bit more certainty to teachers in what we should be teaching children and what we should not be teaching children. >> i think everyone can agree that certainty is very good in this debate, where clearly there's been a lot of uncertainty and people don't really know what to say. a lot of the time. one of the big concern from some campaigners about legislation like this, new rules like this for schools is it harks back to what was known as section 28, brought in in the late 1980s, which, said that you can't promote homosexuality in schools and the problem with that was that then teachers sort of thought, goodness me, what counts as promoting homosexuality? how far do we go? and basically what happened were books was taken out of libraries. people felt that they couldn't even discuss that. gay people existed because people were so sca

as well, think probably bridget phillipson as well , who think probably bridget phillipson as well,nuances, of course, but basically on the jk rowling side of this argument. and then there are people like angela rayner, who i suspect is very much on the other side. where is keir starmer going to fall on this issue when he finally has to make a proper decision? >> well, it'd be nice to know, wouldn't it? we've only got a few days to go. olivia utley, thank you very much for joining us in the studio, but let's move on now and get more on those war of words between boris johnson and nigel farage. and i'm joined now by mark spencer, who's the minister of state for food, farming and fisheries. mr spencer loves the show, always a pleasure. boris johnson called nigel farage morally repugnant, nauseating and a kremlin propaganda list. nigel responded, calling mr johnson responded, calling mrjohnson a liar and a hypocrite. doubling down today, calling boris johnson the worst prime minister in modern british history, sarah said mark spencer, is this the kind of undignified nonsense we need du

yes obviously, which which bridget phillipson referred to there.he world are reading standards have been slipping, but britain has been going up . england has been going going up. england has been going up in the international rankings year after year, and that a large part of that is because of the reforms which michael gove started when he was education secretary, back in the earliest years of this conservative government now, i asked bridget phillipson there whether she would intend to undo some of those reforms that the conservatives put in place, which do seem to be working. and i thought it was a bit worrying that she said that. well yes, she would be looking at doing a big curriculum overview. the curriculum seems to be much better than it was when , better than it was when, according to the international rankings, when the conservatives first came into power. so i think that could be a bit of a worry for parents up and down the uk. >> okay, let's get back onto the wider manifesto launch today. chris hope, of course, was at that and he was a

now, a labourfront bench member, bridget phillipson, was asked what would labour do.cus directly at source on dealing with the issues, so our border security command will have an extra 1,000 cross border officers to deal with the gangs, seek to smash the gangs, but i think it is scandalous that we are spending millions of pounds every day on unsuitable hotel accommodation. we have got to clear that backlog. the conservatives have completely broken the asylum system. they know themselves that this rwanda gimmick is not going to work. we have heard from the home secretary, the fruity language he used to describe this, we have heard from his own aide that he thinks this policy is crap. now, whoever wins the uk general election is going to have to continue to grapple with this issue with what other policies they currently say they will be pursuing. the number of crossings so far this year is up on the same time last year, so clearly a continued challenge for whoever will be in government. i challenge for whoever will be in government-— challenge for whoever will be in cov

i saw that the education secretary, gillian keegan, was quoted in response to what bridget phillipsonad said in an interview. and she said in an interview. and she said she accused labour of playing politics with young people's lives. i mean, i can absolutely understand, but in the middle of a general election campaign, parties are trying to seek political advantage from absolutely everything that they possibly can. but i think, bridget phillipson's quotes yesterday, don't quite justify, i think the gillian keegan response is no. >> but the thing is. >> but the thing is. >> the thing is, it's insidious. you can't just teach children a bit of it's not like a bit of sex education or a bit of french, or a bit of italian . french, or a bit of italian. once you start questioning gender identity, once you start introducing gender ideology into classrooms , it is very, very classrooms, it is very, very destabilising. it's a fundamental thing about us. once you start questioning that with children as young as 9 or 10 or even young teens who are going through a lot, you remember being a teenag

bridget phillipson hasn't said what that review would entail.ltogether ? probably not. she has said that the majority of it is quite sensible, but it does leave schools in a in a bit of a pickle at the moment because they were planning to bring in that guidance in just a few months time, and now they don't really know where they stand. let's hope that we hear more about this issue when, if and when labour comes into power in just a few weeks time. yes, it's all a bit up in the air, isn't it, but i understand the labour leader , sir keir starmer, was leader, sir keir starmer, was also pressed on tax today . also pressed on tax today. >> yes. i mean this has been an awkward issue for keir starmer from the beginning of his campaign. he has said over and over again that he does not want to raise any of the three main taxes on working people so that income tax and national insurance, that obviously leaves the floodgates open to all sorts of other tax rises. but, so far what keir starmer has said that nothing is that nothing in their manifesto require

wes streeting bridget phillipson, they've all said, oh well, she's entitled to her opinion and if you they reacted when there were comments which emerged several years later, that had been made in private about diane abbott, we didn't hear. we didn't stop heanng we didn't hear. we didn't stop hearing about it for well over a week, i think nearly two weeks. so it's one rule for them. and another rule for everyone else. they don't really care about racism . they just care about racism. they just care about their own people. and in the same way that they've tried to come after me, i won't let them. they will try and go after other people if we allow them into government. i'm just going to play government. i'm just going to play devil's advocate. >> on one point, obviously, when he stood up on stage, he didn't mention your colour. you then condemned him as a straight white man. was it about race or is that just the context of these kind of comments for you personally? >> it's not about race at all. it's about showing that they are hypocrites. and i it wasn't about him being white or, you

all i can say is that i've seen rachel reeves keir starmer, bridget phillipson, everybody , dan jonesthat they're not going to raise taxes.i that they're not going to raise taxes. i mean, they may be forced to, but my goodness, there'll be a mother and father of all rows, and it will not be a good way of starting any government to suddenly reverse ferret on something . you've made ferret on something. you've made such a big fuss of promise you won't do. >> jack, what do you make of that? >> well, i think you know. dennis raises the point of those pensioners and deprivation , pensioners and deprivation, which i agree is a disgrace. but actually that that makes the case even more for saying we shouldn't have these universal tax exemptions across the board . tax exemptions across the board. actually, you should be targeting tax at those pensioners who are wealthier. precisely. so you can provide more support to those pensioners who are in genuine need because they can't afford food or basic living costs. but i think on the on the to be fair, to be fair, jack, i mean, we're talking as tho

but shadow education secretary bridget phillipson says that it's going to be closer than people think people think. >> know that there are, you know, a significant proportion of voters who haven't made their minds up. and in 175 seats, different polling points to the fact that those seats are just too close to call. so they could go either way. it could well be 100, a couple of hundred votes in either direction that could shape the outcome of that. and i'd just say if people want to turn a page in all the chaos and division that we've had over the last 14 years, then they have to vote for it. they have to make it happen. it's not enough just to will it. >> sir davey says the public has lost faith in the ability of ambulance services to meet emergency call out targets, which he has described as a scandal. the liberal democrats have pledged £50 million for an emergency fund to support ambulance trusts, in an effort to restore public confidence that a999 call will get the emergency treatment they need. the pledge comes as new analysis of nhs data by the party found just over 85,500 categ

so but i was with sir keir starmer and bridget phillipson , the shadow bridget phillipson, the shadowrning in nuneaton , where they morning in nuneaton, where they are talking about their plans for child care. a couple of things. they're talking about free breakfast clubs for primary school children. they're talking about 100,000 extra child care places that they say is going to come from, reusing 3000 classrooms that are either not being used or being underused and repurposing them into nurseries. they estimate that these and other measures will help to get 750,000 women. and let's face it, it's mostly women, isn't it? but people that are otherwise stuck at home looking after young children back into the workplace or increasing their hours. but there has been a bit of a row, hasn't there, because of the comments that emily thornberry made yesterday about the effect that, labour's plans to put vat on private school fees might have on the state sector. she basically said that it would be fine if a whole load of kids went to the state sector and class sizes were bigger as a result. now,

bridget phillipson, those labour ladies are taking all the credit at the moment. >> interesting how keir back seat there. well, we'll be discussing, angela rayner and her views on the nuclear deterrent in just a moment. but, thank you for now to my panel and of course, after the break, we'll be speaking to gb news reporter adam cherry live in clacton. after nigel farage made his announcement this afternoon. plus, you'll want to stick around for a look ahead to d—day, our a98 year a 98 year old second world war good evening. welcome back. it's 834. this is state of the nation. now, before we move on, we wanted to get a sense of the febrile atmosphere in clacton. following nigel farage's election announcement. gb news reporter adam cherry joins me now. adam, what's the mood ? now. adam, what's the mood? >> evening, tom. yeah, i'm standing here in clacton in front of clacton pier, where nigel farage will officially launch his campaign tomorrow . launch his campaign tomorrow. and i've been speaking to voters all afternoon since the announcement . and the impression announcement. and the impr

>> bridget phillipson i would want people to treat one another with respect. >> she needs to use the shadow secretary of state. which one is she to use? >> i mean, seriously, those performances aren't likely to fill 51% of the electorate with much confidence, and shadow health secretary wes streeting has admitted the party has a lot of work to gain back women's trust. but outspoken backbencher dawn butler immediately undermined mr stratton's conciliatory tone by siding with actor david tennant when he told kemi badenoch to shut up over her views on trans rights. so with sir keir starmer and phillipson unable to give us a straight answer, and the party clearly divided on trans issues , clearly divided on trans issues, can labour be trusted to protect women and girls? right before i go to my panel, let me bring in former labour minister ivor caplin. either seriously, it's a very simple question. why are these people struggling with very, very simple questions? it's binary male or female? it's not that difficult. does labour have a woman problem ? have a woman problem? >> in my view , n

bridget phillipson said that guidance announced by the conservatives earlier this year on what pupils a labour government . reviewed by a labour government. also. election date betting inquiry widened and three day waits in a&e for more than nine 18,000 patients. also, power cut chaos at manchester airport is a disaster in manchester today. all the flights were cancelled, devastating for people trying to either go on a business trip or, more importantly, go on holiday. the guardian now sunak urged to drop candidates as betting investigation widens. labour set to name dozens of new peers. and really sad news regarding the football scotland out of the euros after last ditch defeat. the times farage wants the west to start sensible negotiations with vladimir putin. western leaders should hold peace talks with president putin to break the stalemate in stalemate in ukraine. nigel farage has said that reform uk leader has already courted criticism from across the political spectrum, after claiming that the west provoked russia into war by expanding the european union and nato further east.

the poll has labour on 42% of the vote and the tories on 19, but shadow education secretary bridget phillipson says it's going to be closer than people think. >> i know that there are. you know, a significant proportion of voters who haven't made their minds up and in 175 seats, different polling points to the fact that those seats are just too close to call. so they could go either way . it could well be go either way. it could well be 100, a couple of hundred votes in either direction that could shape the outcome of that. and i'd just say if people want to turn a page in all the chaos and division that we've had over the last 14 years, then they have to vote for it. they have to make it happen. it's not enough just to will it.7 >> all flights from two manchester airport terminals have been cancelled after a major power cut. it's caused huge queues and disruption to baggage processing. it's understood that the power issue has also affected a number of other nearby buildings . other nearby buildings. manchester airport has said that all flights from terminals one and two are being cancelled un

but shadow education secretary bridget phillipson says that it's going to be closer than people thinkat there are, you know, a significant proportion of voters who haven't made their minds up. and in 175 seats, different polling points to the fact that those seats are just too close to call. so they could go either way. it could well be 100, a couple of hundred votes in either direction. that could shape the outcome of that. and i'd just say if people want to turn a page in all the chaos and division that we've had over the last 14 years, then they have to vote for it. they have to make it happen. it's not enough just to will it? >> all flights from two manchester airport terminals have been cancelled after a major power cut. it's caused huge queues and disruption to baggage processing. it's understood the power issue has also affected a number of other buildings close to the airport. manchester airport has said all flights from terminals one and two are being cancelled until further notice , and passengers further notice, and passengers due to travel from those terminals are advised

and now in an interview, the shadow education secretary, bridget phillipson has said, well, we're goingelook at the advice. the cast report came out this for the people who are new to this issue. the cast report came out a few months ago, which basically said that this was a social contagion, that children were being pushed down these routes of medicalisation, and now they should obviously be stopped being taught this rubbish in schools , that's what rubbish in schools, that's what the government then advised or started proposals to advise schools to stop teaching this stuff. and now labour are coming in and going, well, actually, we're going to have a look at it to see. and this is, this is the most so that she was questioned three times. she wouldn't actually say what the advice would be. she said, oh, we're just going to look at the advice. but this is the thing that where she says here, she says that, we need to let's take a more responsible approach. well, there's nothing more responsible than protecting children. and that was what the approach was. >> but then, i guess, paul, they

bridget phillipson is coming into the studio.grilling of labour about these vat plans for private schools and whether it will spark an exodus into the state sector. and we've talked about polling . and we've talked about polling. we've got some exclusive gb news polling, which scarlett mccgwire of jl partners is going to be bringing us, about the state of play bringing us, about the state of play between the parties and also, crucially, after the russia comments, although the polling would have been done before the nick robinson interview. but she's going to give us an assessment of how farage is doing and indeed reform, and where they might end up with a vote share. >> but i'll tell you what's interesting. people who are reform supporters who've been messaging in this morning, well, it's they're doubling down on all of this. and they're saying, well, look, nigel's daring to say something different, daring to speak the truth in their view . i mean, you have to say, when you look at it all in context of that interview and in conte

>> well, again, i listen to the reason why and as bridget phillipson herself said yesterday, there are she pointed to some very partisan language within them and unnecessary language. and she thought that that's some of the things, but she would be open to listening to what the responses would be to what the responses would be to the draft guidelines. they are only draft in terms of what's been put out so far and listening to what many people have to say about it. and i think anyone would want that from a potential incoming government. >> but i suppose the fears and what the papers are picking up on is this concern about children being taught that there are more than two genders. i mean, what's your own view? do you think that children should be taught that? >> well, again, in terms of that's not what actually happening at this moment in time. it's about some draft guidelines which have been put together. and part of the criticism is it's the haste and the speed in which it's being put together as well . you know, put together as well. you know, let's, let's, let's not debate this to a

so the labour leader clarified the position after bridget phillipson was in an interview and said thatk again. they refused to endorse the guidelines published by ministers. keir starmer says i'm not in favour of ideology being taught in our schools. how brave , how brave to say i'm not brave, how brave to say i'm not in favour of ideology. if you get into the details, it's more that they're waiting for this publication of a government's consultation on sex and relationship education guidelines and they are in favour of age appropriate teaching of transgender issues. >> but it does sound as if he is keener to reassure a hesitant tory wet. whereas his education secretary is a little bit more still, possibly spiralized . still, possibly spiralized. >> well, he's definitely trying to make sure that spiraliser the thing that you use on hypnotised, you know. >> yeah, i know, spiralize. yeah. not, not not courgetti spaghetti bits of carrots, he just this is what sticks to him. if there's an accusation of like, it's the cliche, the trope of he doesn't know what a woman is. >> the thing is, th

it's just a different way of doing things, in the meantime, recently bridget phillipson, the shadow education said, no, no, don't worry about emily thornberry's comment about bigger classes. overall, the number of pupils is going down, which but that's like a longer term issue. that doesn't help you if you've got an eight year old going to school now. >> it's also not true, is it? because population is growing and i know, birth rates are slightly dropping, but i think that's a nonsense. it's certainly going to be a nonsense within the time frame of this parliament and what they should be, because they seem to dislike aspiration. yeah. what they should be saying is a lot of the private schools have got it right, and we should be bringing the state schools up to that standard. schools in rural areas or religious schools that have got good funding. they're getting these things right because the smaller classrooms, someone like yourself, andrew, i'd imagine you would have been quite academic at school. one of the reasons you were playing around, you weren't really that's really interesting. but t