he happened to be very brieflial the min city of geology -- minister of geology, so i met him in this huge office where there were maps, actually, that showed radioactive contamination of the st. petersburg area. so it was quite an interesting office to sit in. i asked him about the environment, and he said we don't have an environment. we can't afford one. and that was very much the story of the 1990s. the signature of the russian hydrocarbon industry is very, it's absolutely conventional up to this point. and their investment level and investment in renewables and unconventionals is at this point effectively minimal with one big exception, and that's nuclear power. if you consider that to be a virtuous renewable. as for solar, well, the agency that is in charge of solar power development is, in fact, subordinated to the nuclear power agency which tells you something. and so on. so this is a story that has not yet begun. it's something that the russians are going to have to become more conscious of if only for one very direct reason. the entire northern third of russia is permafrost,