brigham young university in hawaii has 16%. new get down into brown, harvard, yale, where you are well under 10%. these people were scared. >> you went to see the college board. >> no, i didn't. i spent time with their critics, one of whom i talk about in their, bob shaver. >> i thought you describe them in their offices and how much they make. >> know, bob schaefer did that. he is a research director. it is a longstanding organization dedicated to basically eliminating achievement or aptitude test from college admissions and beyond that, from everywhere in the workplace and graduate schools and so on. they are dedicated to the idea that the s.a.t. -- the s.a.t. they believe is essentially a racist and classicist document that heavily favors white, upper-middle-class people and should be abolished. >> do you think they are right? >> no, i don't think they are right at all. there is a bit in there about the history of the s.a.t., which is fascinating. the history ofe american believes in equality and opportunity and fairness of