persons who have been -- at a temporary restraining order in some, but it is not true in all states brigid if it is an issue for many women. >> and laura jackson's case her estranged husband actually traveled to another stable where guns might have been obtained. wouldn't it make sense to have a uniform national rules that take guns away from men or women who are under temporary as well as permanent restraining orders? >> i believe so. >> and let me ask you, based on your expertise whether you agree that a uniform national standard would make sense. and now you are a local law enforcement official, but wouldn't your job be made more effective if there was such a standard? >> absolutely. i think we need to look at why victims seek these protection orders. they do so because they have are reasonable fear for safety. they are not taken lightly. i can only speak for my community, with the victim's i have spoken to seek these important pieces of paper because they fear whether safety irrespective of a live in a certain county that fear is real >> can you tell me again, dr. campbell or any of th