david is academic and a former professor at briston university and is now a non-resident senior research fellow at the islam global affairs at istanbul university. he's also a cdirector of lobby and watchdog watch and the leading critic of israel. i guess today is the palestinian doctor, activist, academic and write dr. gardha karmi. gardha was born in jerusalem and forced from trained as a medical doctor and established the first british palestinian medical charity in 1972. she was also... associate fellow at the royal institute for international affairs and a books include the bestselling memoire in search of fatima. welcome to the show. let me start with you. i mean, you were forced out of palestine in 1948, weren't you, and then we the occupation of gaza and west bank from a far in 1967. i wonder whether you could just recall how you felt at the time of the first interfada. well, i had, of course, i had already become an activist following the 1967 war. because it was the first time i remember that began to understand what israel was about, and it was very clear to me from that day o