but why was there so much sympathy for the confederacy in britain given as, of course, you say britain had already abolished slavery many years before, anti-slavery was, basically, now a part of british culture in a significant way? why did so many prominent british people sympathize in one way or another with the confederacy? >> guest: there's no easy single answer, but you can piece together the answers. first of all, the very beginning of the war i think that the north was knocking at an open door. in general, most countries are not that thrilled with the thought of other country breaking up, you know? it's contagious. >> host: right. >> guest: but seward making a -- >> host: being the secretary of state -- >>ing so ri. william henry seward made a mistake by believing if he could raise the specter of a foreign war with a common enemy -- >> host: because he started out first with spain, right? his first proposal was the u.s. go to war with spain. that was a nonstarter. so, right, he started talking in a bellicose manner about britain. >> guest: that's right. and, of course, all it di

and so naturally britain protested. and so the mere hint that america was not telling to do that and there were suggestions. congress voted. they sent over thousands of troops. in fact, 13,000 troops less than a week away from landing in canada to invade win support persuaded the cabinet. had to be set free. >> moderated a letter by lord tomlinson which is going to be sent over demanding in fairly bellicose letter. he kind of tone down before it was sent. >> that's right. the foreign secretary was a man called and russell who himself was a great man, but riddled with social anxiety. end what he wrote, so bellicose it did not allow the united states to save face. prince of and read the letter and realized that once again he put his foot in his mouth. so as he was dying from cholera he change the wording and the rest of the cabinet agreed it was in which more -- >> he gave him the option. without our authorization. so with the government of the united states, it was just a loan. it was an interesting incidents of which th

britain aboll ired slavery in the 1830s.ike the whole texas battle in the 1840s, john ccalhoun, ect., thought they were conspiring to get texas to abolish slavery on its own. southern pro-slavery people were quite annoyed at what they felt was britain's meddling with slavery in the new world. it was not at all clear southerners see britain as being a likely ally. on the other hand, as you know, of course, britain depended on southern cotton for its textiles. we'll get to that in a minute, but you seem to think it was a big mistake of seward and lincoln, i guess, not to emphasize slavery at the beginning. at the beginning of the war, the administration said this is a war about union, not nighting to abolish slavery or emancipating slaves. i feel you get the impression that made it impossible for the union to really get the support in britain in the beginning that it might have. >> guest: i really do believe that. it wouldn't have taken that much for se to provide a letter that charles adams, the u.s. ambassadors, could have s

and muslims are part of britain and we've got to work out how to improve their morals into the great of morality and values of british society and i think that's true for every country in the world where we're living now in an international community but his provocation can be extremely dangerous couldn't it i mean we've seen far right well surely outraged by this sort of campaign i mean could it lead to the sort of response we've seen recently in norway where a mass shooting was carried out in response to the wave of immigration and exactly the issues we're talking about. well bill your viewers may not realize this but the english defense league and by the way anders breivik sent the many messages and referred to them many times in his tone that fifteen hundred pages he wrote just before the slaughter there but it was an engine tragedy news group that triggered the formation of the english defense league in a town north of london called so actually you know why i know them and consider them i mean i've talked to them a bit like the flintstones the way they behave but indeed because

britain france germany and italy of all backed up britain's claim that this is the end the beginning of the end they're all heralding it is a new beginning but it's not over yet i mean there's still twenty five approximately twenty percent of tripoli's under the control of the forces that's according to the rebels themselves and despite all that the e.u. is already saying it's got the wheels in motion of that plan and so there is already. the transition it was so cool to transition in process however we have been here before of course having leaders precarious situation of the post dictatorship. of course with iraq unlike iraq iran libya is sitting on this vast oil wealth and that complicates matters. severely but unlike iraq here in libya the coalition are saying that they've got this foundations government already in place this national transitional council already recognized by britain france germany however there is already doubt and skepticism in the british press of how effective these people are because of warring factions within the body and different vested interests britain

in the killing and britain was no exception. the johnstons ended up selling in edinburgh because william johnston is a medical student and at that time it in bird had the best medical school in the world so they go there and he finishes his medical training but like many of these refugees, they find that the opportunities for employment are not so great. there's already a lot of professionals there in britain and they don't necessarily need these colonial upstarts to come in and fill in the ranks so they move on again and go under the patronage of a wartime supporters of william to jamaica. the last part of the story that i will tell you about in a little more debt is their experience in jamaica which at that time was the richest colony in the british empire, and seeing a very alluring place for the refugees. its duty could take your breath away from the sparkling surface of the water, swept off to the mountains climbing into the clouds. over the slopes felly living green blanket textured in the vegetable forms of the tropics, g

in britain, rioting continued to spread from london to other cities. this picture of a woman leaping from a burning building in london was on the front page of nearly every newspaper today. mark phillips has more on the riots and the government's response. >> reporter: the trouble didn't go away on the fourth night of rioting in britain, it just moved north to the cities of manchester and birmingham, where looters tried to take up where those in london had left off. but there were more police and fewer rioters. just as there were in london where police numbers were more than doubled to 16,000 and where they chased trouble down before it could begin. after three nights of looting and burning, britain declared it had had enough. >> this is criminality pure and simple, and it has to be confronted and defeated. >> reporter: where the fires had burned, the morning light revealed destruction that looked like the wartime blitz. a family furniture store that had endured through five generations became the riot's symbol. >> you can't carry a three-piece suite o

but why did britain to enlist in the american civil war?>> guest: well, it's one of those offices that run the gamut. i think most interestingly you have those who are genuinely to have bad theology. we have instances of young men who join the north because they wanted to help free the slaves. none of them actually wanted to fight to the north to maintain the union. that they didn't care about, but there were those who saw slavery as an issue. even more interestingly and counterintuitively today their young man who joined the southern cause and had endured a great amount of difficulty to get their run the federal blockade of the southern accord and then admit. so they are not the most eccentric or interesting characters. >> host: you know, i was living in london for a couple months earlier this spring and i think you've done this, too. i went on one of these walking tours of civil war blog and am particularly confederate london. i was surprised, even though a circus. a great deal, i was surprised at how many prominent reddish people said th

you go over to britain. that is not going to happen. >> strangers are unwelcome. >> why do you come here? >> are you coming to rob us? >> they say that they are only acting in self-defense. the government has invested millions of pounds to end conflicts like this. he runs a state-sponsored youth center. money has been put into improving security. three years on, and violence and looting have erupted again. left-wing politicians say that the causes are clear. >> i want to address the 1.5 million that have not been accounted for. to get that money back. >> the financial crisis prompted britain to cut public spending by 20%. are those cuts and enough to have caused such a violent outburst? one thing is for sure, now britain has more than a financial crisis on its hands. >> hundreds of priests in austria are making a stand against the catholic church in rome. they are offering commune into believers who were married outside of the church. they say that it should be opened to women and married men. all sorts of p

loyal subjects of britain. and in the debate over the continental congress, only days before the actual declaration offer the olive branch petition to the king pledging our loyalty to the king, the love of the king, the love of being british subjects simply asking for him to lead us raise hour on taxes to keep parliament out of the business. if he accepted that we probably would have become a member of the british commonwealth. so there was tremendous loyalty and even loyalist forces. there was a major battle that is often not mentioned and better known this prejudice or what but had two mortars creek north carolina. of our british fleet woodland soldiers although of army had formed inland and marching to the coached -- coast to join up with irregulars which the patriots intercepted them and massacred the nemours creek which was a blind gold scheuer the rebels were waiting for them to wipe them out. so without the loyalists afford the british troops could not land that kept the troops often tell their landed in

on twitter for the latest updates on what's happening in britain as of unfolds on our feed at r.t. underscore com right now the u.k. fights wars but retreats into violence also bond in his outrage at the failure of police to take control care and calls part of the society's sick promise is tough justice caught on to twitter feed for more and also dramatic footage of britain on fire is available twenty four seventh's for you on our website or if you've got home and also on our future. it's. easy. four people have now been confirmed dead as rioting moves across the u.k. prime minister david cameron vowed to end the violence that was sparked after police shot a man dead in tottenham north london independent journalist patrick henson who was himself caught up in the mayhem so the government should stop playing political games and address the important issues. to be honest this is one of the most shocking things i've ever had the pleasure of seeing was in brixton early monday morning about one am i sold gangs of youths who were some of which had fled from the central brixton into the su

slight change of stance here once again from britain they said his future will be in the hands of the national transitional council so is he washing his hands of the she will to begin with did say a few months ago when or when the coalition started their campaign in libya that they would get after you will be tried fairly by the national transitional. council then they changed hands on that saying that he will be allowed to leave an exit exam if he steps down and a change of time once more you know certainly seeing some mixed reactions and statements coming out from the coalition it coalition here interesting that what you say about the comments out of ten downing street prime minister cameron saying that the coalition campaign is an open ended campaign of course what started months ago as a un humanitarian mission has the same rhetoric been heard from other e.u. states that you know of. yes a lot of rhetoric coming from europe echoing out of cameron's angle and merkel and president sarkozy of france both call for kidnapping to step down and heralding this is the end of. the e.u. has

use of torture overseas has been slammed before it had a chance to get started it was revealed that britain was prepared to use harsh interrogation if the potential information that was gained was considered important enough well that's led human rights groups to boycott the inquiry saying it lacks credibility as a lawyer and reports. walking a tightrope of pain versus gain it's emerged that's how britain security agencies were encouraged to decide when to talk terrorist suspects. was held in afghanistan and in guantanamo bay between two thousand and two and two thousand and five he says he was tortured and accuses the u.k. of being complicit in that torture only now is the level of the official complicity being revealed we and i am completely one hundred. sure but i would not have gone to guantanamo or to back room. with british intelligence services i spoke to british intelligence officers quite regularly. but. they were physically present when i was being abused they saw. me they saw my according to policy documents seen by the guardian newspaper senior five and m i six agents were asked

is still unknown and britain stance has changed once again about on that issue prime minister saying this morning that his future will be in the hands of the rebels themselves to begin with when the campaign started six months ago he was saying that gadhafi must go then they changed tack about a month ago saying that he can stay in the country so long as he stands down but living in exile now there seems to be washing their hands of it once again saying that it will be in the hands of the rebels in libya potentially precarious state this post dictatorship limbo and we've been here of course before with iraq when mistakes were made and like iran libya sits on a great deal of oil wealth so that really complicates the issue considerably unlike iraq however there is this foundation for a new government already in place that is recognized around europe they already have a diplomatic mission here in london but already the british press is quite skeptical of their ability to govern democratically saying that there are there is potential for infighting with a lot of interest there. bennett r

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walking a tightrope of pain versus gain it's emerged that's how britain security agencies were encouraged to decide when to talk terror suspects. was held in afghanistan and in guantanamo bay between two thousand and two and two thousand and five he says he was tortured and accuses the u.k. of being complicit in that torture only now is the level of the official complicity being revealed i am completely one hundred percent sure but i would not have gone to guantanamo or to back room had it not been for the involvement of british intelligence services i spoke to british intelligence officers quite regularly. but. they were physically present when i was being abused they saw my shot and my lecture. me they saw my according to policy documents seen by the guardian newspaper senior m i five and m i six agents were asked to weigh up the quality of information they might obtain with the level of mistreatment a prisoner would suffer and if it was worth it to go ahead amnesty international says there's a mounting pile of credible evidence on the extent to which britain was involved in torture as

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and in britain and push it into what he calls. russia china and brazil not to me a very big statement being made but in practical terms we're talking about huge volumes here over two hundred tons. venezuelan's gold is currently held a with c. so really how can this be executed. well it can be executed and israel has said very clearly that they will be doing it transitionally and slowly because they want to make sure that the actual goal that they get back is the goal that they originally sent especially after some rumors that there had been some counterfeiting of certain gold. in various especially in america and other parts of europe so i think it was once to make sure he sent out is that gold is going to be getting back in his central bank vaults there is however another aspect which i think perhaps mr chavez has not measurable potential risk and consequence because this is an outright attack on the u.s. on the u.k. and on the european union as a major financial markets as major areas of safety to keep your goal argentina for ex

, living in america now, does this feel like britain in the '20s? >> not yet, no. you do have various areas of excellence. you have your universities, you have some companies that are world leaders, and you also seem to have a sense of -- you don't see a function of it at the moment, but there is something about american optimism, which means that in the past historically, you have been able to talk about having -- being special, being exceptional, being an unusual force that can regenerate. i'm not seeing that right now at the moment. i can't believe that that's been entirely driven out of the dna of america. >> andrew roberts, rana foroohar, richard haass, jeff sachs, thank you so much. we'll be right back. introducing the schwab mobile app. it's schwab at your fingertips wherever, whenever you want. one log in lets you monitor all of your balances and transfer between accounts, so your money can move as fast as you do. check out your portfolio, track the market with live updates. and execute trades anywhere and anytime the inspiration hits you. e

we have seen the worst of britain and i also believe we have seen some of the best of britain. >>> syria'sdown is expected to draw a tough new response from the united states this week. government sources tell cnn the obama administration is ready to demand that syrian president step down. activist say more than 2,400 have been killed in the regime. >>> police in aruba are questioning the man about the disappearance of this american woman. she was last seen august 2nd. the suspect told him they were snore coming and she was never seen again. >>> a town recently found out it had a $700,000 surplus. it is refunding the money to business and homeowners. checks range from $150 to several thousand. >> i don't believe it. we were like, are you sure? >> that's an indication that the town is doing their job and spending their money wisely. >> if a little town like this can do it, who knows what the big towns can do. >>> we're getting more details on the newest members' name to the debt super committee. the panel is going to try and slash the deficit by $1.5 trillion for more on who these folks are

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what's the -- look, with britain being the u.s.a.'osest ally and very close to us in a lot of ways, what is t about british society that you believe is has led to terrible deplorable situation over there? >> well, all of these riots around the globe are the evidence of the theme of my book's subtitle is how moms are endangering america and endangering the world. three main points of my column and the book are that moms are always dangerous destructive things that end society. liberal policies promote mobs because liberals crawl on the mobs the destruction brought by the mobs to obtain power. only one way to react to a mob to save civilized society and that is to smash the mob. it's not to molly coddle the mob. >> throughout the history, particularly 20th century history have you seen movements in italy and germany in particular do the mob thing as well on the right to, as you said, seize power. but now you say that the totalitarianism is coming from the left. these kids and the arrest sheets from great britain show the majority of peo

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of kong prevails and all more than eleven hundred people have been arrested all over the country britain is bitterly divided though on the reasons behind these arrests and behind these riots some blame the unrest on opportunistic criminality others say that austerity measures and social inequality are really to blame now meanwhile law enforcement has tripled its number of police officers to sixteen thousand and it seems their leaders are taking what they can get in the meantime but before this is under control their hands. taking whatever they get their hands on setting fire to buildings now along with rioters there is also a different type of bomb popping up those cleaning it up but analysts and citizens say what is really in need of confronting is what's going on underneath all of this the root cause many of the issues under the surface of the united states are very similar so we'll get to what these riots could mean for the u.s. but first my colleague in the u.k. gives us the back story of what's going on there. across england and wales more than eleven thousand police have already be

managed to restore calm after three days of disorder the government's social policies are blamed for britain's worst rioting in years. trying out crude steel america's crown of the world's biggest economy in less than four years as with investors expect to turn ten days or markets to escape the economic turmoil in the u.s. and europe. had no option on tuesday to see the end of an months larry there's no equating well with the street eight when they get down we'll have more in business in twenty minutes. also this hour as russian officials turn a blind eye to complaints about pedophile assaults members of the public launched their own vigilante crackdown on sexual predators. six seven pm in moscow this is r.t. coming to you live on news now with our top story this evening a world when the violence continues in the u.k. as rioters devastate major cities from birmingham to liverpool the gangs clashed with police torched cars and ransacked shops and a fourth night of unrest over the capital was kept relatively quiet i sixteen thousand police officers were met is following the story in london. we s

is no doubt about it that we have an underclass and it's not necessarily about social inequality britain if you look twenty years ago to now we are a very wealthy society in terms of economic freedom we're right at the top the same time there's a lot of inequality according to figures in two thousand and ten the richest ten percent of the population are a hundred times as wealthy as the chorus ten percent so there is a large disparity ought to those figures show you know twenty years ago we were poorer than we are today it is total socialist mantra that we'd rather see the poor poorer the rich richer who really cares how rich the rich are we care about how much wealth the reason society our jobs. however we have a ton of families in the u.k. now where parents are essentially paid to stay at home the government is saying you know what we're going to give you unemployment benefits for a year and then you can have to prove that you're looking for a job this isn't a free handout will give you one hundred but not a handout and that's the way government should be for the past decade and a half

we said we didn't want britain to be a part of the. as i've said before i told you so is not an economic policy for today. but when i think he is right is that we do need better international arrangements for monitoring and dealing with the global rebalances but the fact that huge credits in countries like china and big data countries like the u.k. and united states. i'm afraid the progress of the g20 and imf on this is painstakingly slow. some of the meetings are not even able to agree on definitions. i hope if there is a silver lining to the black clouds of the moment, the financial market crisis, we will see in the autumn meetings much greater progress that i think if one accepts needs to happen. >> thank you, mr. speaker. i congratulate the chancellor with the death of reduction program. but can he tell us, what has he made about the rising price in gold? how much better off the u.k. economy would be if the last comment had sold off gold? >> well, in anticipation that the question might come up, as it often does, treasury event, th

live from moscow a britain has sentenced two young men to four years behind bars after their facebook post they said were a joke called on others to cause trouble in their home town now human rights groups is sounding the alarm saying the courts are overreacting by dishing up penalties which are far too harsh but as an artist i have a bennett report that's part of the political drive for tough justice in the wake of the looting in distorter across england. four years behind bars for the riot that didn't even happen jordan black sure and perry sutcliffe kenan were banged up for inciting disorder on facebook no one turned up after their invitation to riot which they later said was a drunken joke but now they face sentences even tougher than most looters and i worry is that it is an imbalance a four year sentence for example would normally be given to somebody for a previous bodily harm for holding someone up with a knife or even for. some form of sexual assault so it seems to me that that there is a danger that the courts are moving into disproportionate territory and that actually deva

this myth which the political establishment and journalists alike embrace basically everybody in britain is middle class and all that remains of the old working class is a sort of problematic fact plus in the class what we saw with these riots complicate i think linked to the sense because it helps reinforce this are there this is the class which is waiting you know which is not only lazy in fact with but also violent which is how the government of lightning commentators have been portraying it why is there this myth about the working classes how was it created and why the riots being blamed on them why i think what we saw in the 1980's in this country was an attack on a lot the pillars of working class britain industries that sustain a lot of communities institutions trade unions council housing values which in communities were very strong like solidarity in favor of good individuals and by the end of the eighty's there wasn't the same sense of being being able to be proud of being working class everyone supposed to seem to become middle class you know that part for aspiration means in

. >> neil: this is not just britain. we have seen riots and disturbance and worker walk outs and not as violent or as heated in the united states in wisconsin. i wondering whether there is a sense of no one in charge, frustration not only abroad but here and everywhere. it is panicking people. >> guest: it should worry people in all of our countries, we have the same disease which is liberal socialism that tears down all values was society and dumbs down the church. dumbs down the courts, they are in favor of the criminal and the victim is not cared for at all. in britain, cells are called rooms. it is ridiculous . it is spreading and my goodness, when you have the limb lips in britain, wait and see what happens then. french, german and spanish police in britain. unimaginable and when the recession starts to bite, you have to worry when there is a reason for people. >> neil: good reason to worry next week talks that european banks are shaky and not over the melt down and the worst of it. >> guest: absolutely right . the

government social policies of blame for britain's worst disorder in years. america's financial woes could see its crown as the world's top economy pass to china in less than four years investors are expected to turn more often to asian markets to escape economic turmoil in the u.s. and europe. as russian officials turn a blind eye the complaints about peeta father souls members of the public launched their own vigilante crackdown on sexual predators current sex crimes laws a slam for being too soft and failing to keep the threat from the country's playground. now r.t. follows the journey of two colombians fans they try to find the truth behind the deaths of their relatives in a mysterious military operation.

the prime minister says this is where britain fights back. this fighting fire with fire could only fan the flames of civil disorder are definit r.t. london. prime minister david cameron defending the core sentencing saying they are sending a tough message on those metropolitan police say they have already charged over a thousand people in connection with the riots but investigative journalist tony. people at the top in the u.k. so look at their own path before condemning others. i think it's a bit rich coming from david cameron who and the government i mean who are many of whom are we talking about george osborne boris johnson's baby carriage who were members of this elite oxford bullingdon club and i'll quote now one of the things they said back in ninety six was that they smashed the place up and boris set fire to the toilets i think they should take a close look at themselves and their club that they used to be part of a not for the drinking club where they would smash the places up one occasion apparently two bottles of wine or smashed ea

top stories on our team for heroes for a dog your facebook status in britain are locked up for encouraging writing a human rights groups say shelters are going to fall. we hear you syrian voices more glad to see the army who invented their tiles even as rights activists accuse the syrian government of a possibly sleep meds or transfers. top flight trade at the international air show in moscow at the terrace of steel for russia's premier pilots as they take artsy on a bike lock and rotten. it's two pm here in the russian capital and you're watching r t now to our top story britain has sentenced two young men to four years behind bars for their right inspired facebook group well they've been charged with inciting violence but human rights campaigners accuse judges of overreacting are dishing out severe penalties to score popularity points as bennett reports they are the only wants the british courts are coming down hard on. four years behind bars for the riot that didn't even happen jordan black sure and perry sutcliffe kenan were banged up for inciting disorder on facebook no one turned up