she brought britain back. from a time when britain was not very confident.n it's world nuns was ebbing and she made britain strong again and a vital force in the world. i was listening to secretary baker and secretary powell as they reminisced on your program, andrea. and what i was struck by was the commonality in what they were saying. she was very strong intellectually. she's the one who really brought gorbachev to the attention of the united states when she said he's someone we can do business with. she was our greatest ally at the beginning of the gulf war. and encouraging us in 1990 to oppose saddam hussein's takeover of kuwait. and for britain, she was an exceptionally strong lead anywhere defending british sovereignty in the falkland islands in the 1982 war. we've seen very few people like her and she's obviously made a huge mark in history. >> nick burns, we all remember her telling george w. bush, herbert walker bush, rather, not to go wobbly against saddam hussein when he invaded kuwait. thank you, nick, thanks for being with us today. >>> and the

an historic moment in britain. thatcher became the first woman to move into number 10 downing street. >> i know full well the responsibilities that await me as i enter the door of number 10. >> and responsibility she bore for more than 11 years, longer than any other -- a responsibility she bore for more than 11 years, longer than any other british prime minister in the 20th century. she took on the mining industry. 25,000 miners were put out of work. she made sweeping cuts to the welfare system. thousands protested. the unrest lasted for days. thatcher remained firm, earning her the nickname the iron lady. >> in 1984, the ira carried out a bomb attack on a party conference. thatcher narrowly escaped the blast, but insisted -- >> the conference will go on as usual. >> at a 1989 nato meeting, she positioned herself next to u.s. president george bush to she distanced herself from fellow european leaders, especially -- george bush. she distanced herself from fellow european leaders, especially home and coal -- especia

she changed great britain.er's doctor. tina brown, i remember tina telling the story of how in great britain you just didn't think about it. the men and the women came together and they had dinner and then the men said we're now going to retire to our room. the women would stay there and tina brown said she remembered sitting there one time and margaret thatcher and all the women sat down and the men said we'll retire. all the women sat down and margaret thatcher without thinking twice, she went into the men's room and she sat down and it was -- tina said it was shocking and not one man dare question her. >> absolutely not. >> they were cereified of her. >> i want to talk to katy about that in just a moment, but just to reset here. 12 past the hour. nbc news confirming the death of margaret thatcher. british prime minister david cameron this morning says this, "britain has lost a great leader. a great prime minister of great britain." and she, she really was in so many ways just, she paved the way for women aro

thatcher by '79, britain was an economic mess and she came in and really inspired great britain to rememberhat it had a role in the world. the point of the faulklands was that it wasn't done with the u.s., that britain could do it by itself. i noticed margaret thatcher's going to have full military honors at her funeral. that would mean a lot to her, because she was about the national security of great britain and really her legacy is about winning of the cold war, the toughness. she was part of that group with reagan and mulrooney and the pope that really started putting the soviet union on the run, on the defense, right at the time of glasnost. there are many books written about the revolution of 1989 when the berlin wall came down. thatcher was a key spur to all of that. >> nile, you will be as well aware as i am, back home in britain, a lot of hatred spewed out today towards margaret thatcher, lot of hatred that has been simmering for a long time, never really went away. a lot of it down to things like a poll tax policy which many felt victimized the poorest and most vulnerable sections

sad news out of britain.h prime minister margaret thatcher has died, known as the iron lady. thatcher was tough and uncompromising. her staunch conservative views made her a natural ally of president ronald reagan. they were kindred spirits believing in smaller government and tough enterprise. we heard from david cameron, the man who now serves as -- >> is he she saved our country, and she showed immense courage in doing so, and people will be learning about what she did and her achievements in decades, probably centuries to come. that's her legacy, but today we must also think of her family. >> thatcher, much like reagan, is likely to invoke strong emotions now as then. cnn's dan rivers looks back at thatcher's bold and controversial leadership. >> reporter: this is how many will remember margaret hatcher. the iron lady. as the u.k.'s first female party leader and prime minister, margaret thatcher was one of the dominant figures of the 20th century. a politician who helped to mold parties other than her own.

the passing of britain's iron lady, the former prime minister of great britain margaret thatcher.ss thatcher. she died today at the age of 87. she had a stroke after several years of frail health. i'm very pleased to be joined by mrs. thatcher's successor at 10 downing street, sir john major, leader of the conservative party from 1990 to 1997. sir john, thank you so much for being with me today. i really appreciate this time to talk with you. so many questions and so little time, but let's just start with her legacy, and what you believe it to be having played such a large role in it as well. >> well, her legacy, i think, is many sided, but i think the core of it, of the supply side changes they she made to the economy in the 1980s with her then chancellor jeffrey howe, and the way in which she curbed the all mighty power of the trade unions. both of those changed british live life forever, but overshadowing that in one respect is the fact that she was the first woman prime minister that traditionalist country like the united kingdom was a very remarkable thing. >> perhaps you can

women in britain. and she wasn't even on it. which was ridiculous. >> ridiculous. >> absolutely absurd but they never claimed her. she never wanted to be seen as a feminist. she rejected that idea that she owed anything to women's lib. she said some of made it long before women's lib. she wasn't ever embraced b that cmunity. ev now there is a gdging acceptance of margaret thatcher. i personly think she did break amazing barriers for women. she actually did really cut through. she was so clear and toughed it out and those tory wets as she used to call them her party. she fell like jelly deals before her. >> martin? >> well, if you talk to modern politicians, any party, they say she is the greatest prime minister since churchill. the most substantial. and i sort of agree, although i found her re-- personally. but she did astina said, she broke the class system. those keiths and ses ils and normans. they wouldn't have had a look in a traditional tory cabinet level. >> she liked jews too which was very unu

is a way for thing do you think that britain will see britain exiting the block in the near future. i think so because other e.u. countries are not predisposed to want to give powers back to the u.k. they don't want special opt outs for britain they don't want the central a you institutions to hand back powers from the e.u. to the democratic column and in westminster he actually david cameron has actually few friends in europe that are willing to listen to him chancellor merkel in germany does not want to take part in his balance of competencies view which is a british government looking about what powers whitely or wrongly belong to the european union the judger they just don't want to support that home and found her said that a renegotiation is not going to be possible because that's all i would love to continue this conversation with you but as you know here well we're always tight on time news always have to go on but thank you very much for your insight and that very thoughtful message on margaret thatcher ernie allen thank you right up next peter lavelle and his guests debate

the stock market collapsed in britain.ally saved lady thatcher was the falkland war, which brought her in. she won the election. but after that, on economics, on taxes, she was great. she got nigel lawson, he cut the highest tax rate down to 40% and you saw a boom in britain like you've never seen. she was phenomenal on deregulation. she was phenomenal on privatization. she was phenomenal on cutting government spending. when she privatized housing, she gave people a stake in the homes that they were living in. it was amazing what she did. >> it wasn't all smooth sailing. she left a lot of bad blood behind her and a lot of brits today who are not wild about her. what was it that caused those people to be so unhappy with her? >> especially in her own party. she was not thrown out by the labor government. she was thrown out by the conservatives, if you'll remember. it was terrible. there was a revolution internally. and frankly she stepped on a lot of toes inside. when there was an answer and it was done correctly, she wouldn

thatcher was great britain's only woman prime minister. martha: she was known for her tough and uncompromising style. thatcher led great britain out of socialism and revived the independent spirit of her country. she was at the helm more than a decade whether trade unions or terrorist it is was agree with maggie or get out of the way. for that margaret thatcher goes down in history as the most influential british prime minister of the post-war era. that kind of self-confidence though wasn't always so apparent. >> i don't think there will be a woman prime minister in my lifetime. and i don't think it depends on so much whether it is a man prime minister or a woman prime minister as well as that person is the right person for the job. >> reporter: she apparently was the right person. britain's first female prime minister she led the conservative party for three election wins in a row, the country's longest serving prime minister in almost two centuries. thatcher got in on the floor of the reagan revolution. she joined her counterpart with a

britain was u.k. was very, very significant player in those years, partly because of the relationship with ronald reagan, partly because of that period of time, the cold war was starting to wind down. so she was a rock, if you will, in terms of -- of how she delt dealt with -- she dealt with those domestic problems and marshaled support for fundamental change domestically and internationally. >> we always read about the relationship with former president ronald reagan and mrs. thatcher. was it as close as it appeared on the outside? >> that was my impression. i was never in a meeting with the to of them. i can remember later, when she came -- i was still vice-president -- she came to receive an award for the heritage society approximate they asked me to present it at that time. but she was then obviously sometime away from her time in politics and then had written a book and so forth. but she was a rock star. she was somebody that everybody had enormous respect and admiration for. a lot of that was ba

that is the new britain, the britain of the 1990's. i give way. >> the prime minister. why can she explain the cbi yesterday? losses on the exchange rate. when the exchange rate goes down, the profits are wiped out. >> that is nonsense. the honorable member will know that cbi, should some industries, they have a high exchange rate. the raw materials they imports are less in price here. ratehave a lower exchange because they think it helps them export. the only real security is if it is really efficient by virtue of the design. >> mr. speaker -- education and training. whitening opportunity even further. i understand the right leader gentleman, the leader of the opposition, tells this conference education and training -- please let me get on with a few more sentences before i give way again. i understand that the right honorable gentleman believes the education and training are now the commanding heights of the economy. under this government, they always have been. let's look at the facts on education. it is vitally important for our future. the national curriculum is ma

this was something that britain had not experienced. in fact, if i'm mistaken, britain became the fourth largest economy, quite an achievement. >> it felt good, it did. i lived it. i cannot see your chart. and what you said, they lit the spart in people's hearts and they started to risk their money because they felt there would be returns and they were free to do things. free of regulation. free of trade union abuse and they would keep money after tax because the tax when i first came in was 92% of the top rate. and in one swoop, she reduced it to 40%, foreign exchange controls were reduced to zero. so you could have taken anything you liked out of the country. we were not allowed though own telephones and suddenly we were free to own them. we had to rent them off the state. >> did she privatize british telecom and other state-owned companies? >> yes, not only that, what most important, she created a thing where british telecom was not allowed to bid in the first four rounds of the contracts in order to encourage little companies to com

she made britain less classest. the daughter of a grocer. the chancellor was a te, she wa daughter of a grocer and she brought with her through her economic policies a lot of british working class people into the middle class by giving them access to credit. >> the other dominant issue during her time and i say this because this is what i remember dealing with growing up and her dealings with the ira. this was the dominant, we forget here in the united states, this was another part of the dominant storyline of the thatcher, of the thatcher years. was it not, marten? >> again, chuck, people fail to give credit to john major because it was john and bill clinton who ended up opening negotiations secretly with the ira that came, that brought to fruition the good friday agreement, of course, with senator george mitchell. it was not margaret thatcher. margaret thatcher campaign organizer and manager was killed by the m in 1976. so, she was not that effective. that that kind of iron lady stance seemed to work in some sectors, but didn't work so wel

it is a sad day for britain.nd she will have the most impressive funeral of a prime minister since winston churchill. she will actually go down in history as the most impressive peace time prime minister. >> what do you make -- i was talking -- >> i am ashamed of that. >> i would imagine you would be. i would be too. >> she turned our country around. yes, of course there is controversy especially over uh par tied in south africa and not with sanctions and so forth. she had a connection with chile, but she rescued my country. she saved britain. >> i don't say you should be ashamed of those people. they should be ashamed of themselves. every young kid hated her, but they never read about her. is it shocking, gavin, that a lot of people were out there on the streets rejoicing? >> not at all. i know a lot of british people and i am from britain and a lot of my people are scottish and i hear vit tree y'all toward her. i go home and we are siting in a giant mansion where people's fathers were newspaper men and fruit st

and britain and britain. right right and britain is well as well right and britain was all the way our are. you know lackey if you will in the whole mass and so i think he and i'm sure you could probably implicate blair for some of the help with the cia secret prisons and that sort of thing although it's not been established but i mean the british the brits were really close to the u.s. on policy on torture and that sort of thing as well i think. in iraq and elsewhere so i think that it should be explored stephen jump in go ahead. it's important to note that in both cases of blair and george w. bush they've they've in a sense been ostracized by the public i mean george w. bush couldn't even show up at the last republican convention he's so tarnished by what he did in his term in office particularly in iraq blair has been rejected by his own party it's not as if these people have not been in a sense punished it's not in court since you ation but in the arena of public opinion now is it is you are right though

a lot of the criticism of her in britain was also class criticism. she had an upper class education but she was a lower-middle class girl. she led a party that had a lot of people from privilege. in fact the current conservative pliem minister is often accused much being too upper class and has to be kind of a regular guy to dispel that. she broke through so many social barriers in britain not just the gender one. >> woodruff: so what do you see ultimately as her legacy? >> well, i think there's no question that she changed the power structure in britain. you know, it amuses me in the united states when people talk about, you know, president obama is a socialist and i want to buy them addictionary. you don't have any socialists in this country but the class war in britain and the power of unaccountable people, you know, the leader of the miners union was bent on destroying the government. she kind of shifted that. so that the labor party is a very different party now from what it was then. she really helped to remake the political configuration in br

you is also an american word should build up which britain is engaged in in the persian gulf which is deliberately aimed as part of attempt to build put pressure on the iranian regime what about the question of money we know that britain is very strapped for cash the arab states are swimming in it if you've got a cash cow why not well david cameron and all farmers have been looking at the big breaking ball ribbon potential asking for money and selling anything they can return for that actually the very core ties between us and britain with some forty million tonnes of building went once was a trade between the two guitars of supply of britain of the actual gas and i think it would be kinda developing not to ease a dependence on russia because of tension between britain and russia as well but i think we have got to put in a context of this is a return to us of an imperial policy which has been spearheaded by the united states with britain trillian behind and therefore decision to a increase any military presence in the gulf as it was instability. chris bambery thank you very much for y

britain's first female prime minister. we've got a lot more on this life and her legacy coming up. >>> and in syria, a massive car bomb tore through damascus killing at least 15 people and injuring dozens more. the bomb went off in an area near one of the biggest public squares in the syrian capitol. now, the square surrounded by state buildings including the central bank of syria. >> syria's state television says it's believed the explosion was setoff by a suicide bomber. syria's civil war has been going on two years now. more than 70,000 people have died. let's take you to israel. there is a push-on today to make kick start peace talks between israel and palestinians. secretary of state john kerry the one doing the pushing. >> he is in the middle east and he's already met with palestinian president mahmoud abbas. he made a stop in turkey talking to allies about staying on a path of better relations with israel. >>> margaret thatcher once said she didn't think there would be a female prime minister of britain during her l

it is a sad day for britain. and she will have the most impressive funeral of a prime minister i- >> she will have the most impressive funeral and she will go down in history as the most impress i peacetime leader. >> i would imagine you would be. >> she can't -- yes, of course, there is controversy. especially in south africa. she was not on board with sanctions. she had a very controversial kengs. >> i don't say you should be ashamed of those people. every young kid hated her but they never red about her. is it shocking to you that a lot of people were out there on the streets rejoicing. >> i'm from britain. all i here is victory towards her. every time i go home and we're sitting in a giant mansion where their fathers were newspaper men and fruit stand guys and there is this thriving middle class and they drink wine and bitch about thatcher. you know how you go to china and see statues? i just came up with this. i think that the brits don't see their innate disgusting resta restarted classism as a terrible thi

well neil clark who writes for britain's guardian newspaper believes the rebels apparent terror tactics should send alarm signals to western nations. quite clearly that they're able to spread terror among the population in damascus to terrorize civilians and it's absolutely shameful that these people are being backed by my country the u.k. by france and other western powers these are terrorist attacks let's call them what they are they haven't been condemned by william hague for us what holland or john kerry are we going to think that's actually a call exactly is it taking place in tallahassee or riyadh or anywhere else in the country which was a western i mean they would be roundly condemned but they're not and it's quite appalling that these so-called rebels with western help trying to bomb our way to power in syria killing innocent civilians spreading terror among population and i think that the likes of william hague who got blood on my hands i'm afraid or meanwhile russia's state aviation agency has stopped russian planes from flying over syria after friday's incident involving a r

it has been more mixed in britain. people have talked about her divisiveness. overwhelmingly positive here in america. >> it certainly has been positive here. we all have the fondest memories. the decision she had to make in the united kingdom, and the challenges she had to face would leave some residual feelings that are not necessarily favorable. we did not have to deal with those issues here in the united states. our reaction to her is favorable. she was part of a special relationship. andand president reagan president bush had a unique relationship with each other, especially with president reagan. did they have a common view of communism. the soviet union needs to change. let's be strong. let's demonstrate our strength to some action such as deployment of the missiles in 1984. i was there. i watched it happen. it brought all of those out. the game is up. powerful way she made an impact on the world's situation. she had people who did not like the way she went about it. all the protesters were deploying those missiles. >> we have to leave it there. thank yo

that is the new britain.t is the britain of the 1990. >> this industry is so satisfied with her performance, why she can't explain -- >> that is nonsense. the cbi have two exchange rate. some industries have a high exchange rate. they think it helps them export. the only real security for industry is it's efficient by virtual of management and by virtue of design. mr.speaker, a widening opportunity even further. i understand the gentleman tell his party conference education and training -- please let me get on with a few more sentences -- under this government, they always have been. let's look at the path on education. it's important for our future. the national curriculum is making sure that every child has a really good basic education. the new gcse has been an outstanding success and has brought better exam results. despite what the gentleman said, there are 210,000 more students in higher education than there were in 1979. every four people taking degrees when labor left office, there are now more than f

this is how much the left in britain hated margaret thatcher. as i say, liberals didn't -- don't conservatives who shake things up and people in the media don't like conservatives who do that. but when liberals shake things up, they are seen as saints. and that's how they see barack obama and that's how they saw in the opposite way they saw margaret thatcher and ronald reagan. >> bill: all right, bernie, thank you. carolla on deck. he is furious about how the airlines are treating passengers. the a man has thoughts on gay marriage. carolla moments away. >> bill: back of the book segment tonight. rolling with carolla. get to our pal adam carolla from los angeles. all right, carolla, you are cruising -- i'm sure you are cruising as well. you are causing gay marriage again. here is what you said about gay marriage own your pod cast two weeks ago. here is what will happen. it will be legal, hopefully, and you think we will be done with it and then we will want to get married at the crystal cathedral and the guy at the crystal cathedral will say no,

saving britain's reputation. a victory parade and a victory service. she had a public fight with the head of the church of england about the nature of that service. it should be a victory service or should it be a remembrance of the dead. this is how things were and that point, 1983. the archbishop of canterbury hated thatcher, or dislike her strongly. he wore that metal on his casket in the pulpit in support of the cathedral. and everybody understood that this was his rebuke of the prime minister who is he saw as a warmonger, taking credit for the victory. so it is a very political space. all of that will be floating around as people watch this ceremonial national parade. the fact that it is in this place. all of that is in the air. host: the video coming from bbc when the funeral started, the reverend spoke. one of the first few things he said was a storm of controversy. conflicting opinions about the prime minister. so what is her legacy today? guest: if you are talking about britain, it depends on how can old people are and it depends on where peop

in britain, the u.k. independence party blames the eu for britain's current problems. skepticism towards the european project does have a long tradition in the u.k., but it is growing, especially in rural areas. in the upcoming local elections, the party could be a force to be reckoned with. >> for many residents of the small market town in central england, home is where the heart is. but not everyone would go as far as this town councilor. every day, the man turns up at the public toilets to clean them himself. before the party got on to the ramsey town council, the climate's would close on cost- saving grounds -- the toilets were closed on cost-saving grounds. peter reid says like all counselors, he believes in rolling at his sleeves and getting on with it. ramsey is britain's first ukip- led council. reeve is a relative newcomer to politics. >> i've always grown up thinking politics is something posh people do or something rich people do. whereas ukip said they wanted an ordinary person who is prepared to work hard and do things in your community. it is you that our

>> well, i think there's no question that she changed the power structure in britain. you know, it amuses me in the united ateshen people ta abt, y know, president obama is a socialist and i want to buy them addictionary. you don't have any socialists in this country but the class war in britain and the power of unaccountable people, you know, the leader of the miners union was bent on destroying the government. she kind of shifted that. so that the labor party is a very different party now from what it was then. she really helped to remake the political configuration in britain to make it a much more, i think, centrist constructive but with ideological choice. i thi that as tecades go on and people look back, they will see that it was a salutary rejigging of the political debate in great britain but also she was a great... she have didn't get anything she didn't work for. she didn't get her position by privilege or family connections. she opened up the meritocracy. she had jews in her cabinet. she brought around her people who were successful, self-made people. she ma

she really stuck up for britain. liked her because of that as much as anything else. >> max foster, thank you so much for being with us. if you want something said, ask a man. if you want something done, ask a woman. that's what margaret thatcher said. on the phone with us is henry kissinger. secretary kissinger, john berman here. can you hear me okay, sir? >> make it a little louder, please. >> you of course over the years had the opportunity to meet margaret thatcher i imagine many times. give us a sense what have kiof person she was. >> she was a woman -- she was a leader of strong convictions. great leadership abilities. and extraordinary personality. >> we know her as the iron lady. we saw her, we grew up watching her on television. tell us more about the friends, the people who know here, a warm harted kind lady. tell us about that margaret thatcher, the one that we didn't personally know, but you did. >> i'm not saying that she was a gutsy personality. she was a woman who earned the fact that a leader needed t

which is deliberately aimed as part of the temperature on the rest of money we know that britain is very strapped for cash the arab states are swimming in it if you've got a cash cow why not milk it well david cameron and they're all farmers you mention and you have been. begging bowl ribbon potential asking for money and selling anything they can return for that's actually a very cool between the united arab emirates and some forty million pounds of building what once was a trade between the two qatar is the biggest supplier of that actual gas and i think if you kinda develop a not to ease a dependence on russia because of tension between britain and russia as well but i think we have got to put in the context of this is a return to of an imperial policy which has been spearheaded by the united states with britain truly behind and therefore decision to increase any military presence in the gulf as it was instability chris bambery thank you very much for your comments in december the u.k. chief of defense staff said that after afghanistan the gulf will become the u.k.'s main militar

this is how much the left in britain hated margaret thatcher.s i say, liberals didn't -- don't conservatives who shake things up and people in the media don't like conservatives who do that. but when liberals shake things up, they are seen as saints. and that's how they see barack obama and that's how they saw in the opposite way they saw margaret thatcher and ronald reagan. >> bill: all right, bernie, thank you. carolla on deck. he is furious about how the airlines are treating passengers. the a man has thoughts on gay marriage. carolla moments away. ♪ using supercomputing and mobile technology over our secure network, verizon innovators are building a world of medical treatment data in the cloud. so doctors can make a more informed diagnosis from anywhere, in seconds rather than months. because the world's biggest challenges deserve even bigger solutions. powerful answers. verizon. by the armful? by the barrelful? e carful? how about...by the bowlful? campbell's soups give you nutrition, energy, and can help you keep a healthy weight. campbell