for saying the case thank you speaker i welcome the very significant contribution made by the british council to protecting british values overseas and regularly witness this on my visits to ration the pacific given the importance of the british council when it comes to our soft power what are the implications of possible cuts in funding to. da funding to the council's work and how much use of fact the government plans for a global. five mile befriend for his question as part of our vision for global growth we want a properly funded and effective council project. right across the world i believe that the council will continue to deliver activity in not only the countries through the income generated from other sources such as its commercial income and from both chambers soft power has strong supporters and advocates alex book forced to problem crossbench of buying decision from the house of lords and then to go to lisa cameron the member of parliament stephen and. i'm delighted to be joined by violet certain herself one of the foremost exponents in the house of lords so both these organizatio

facing the case and i thank you speaker i welcome the very significant contribution made by the british council to projecting british values overseas and regularly witness this on my visit to trace in the pacific given the importance of the british council when it comes to our soft power what all the implications of possible cuts in funding to. da funding to the council's work and how much these affect the government plans for a global britain but i think my other friend from his question as part of our vision for global growth we want a properly funded and effective council the project protocol use right across the world i believe that the council will continue to deliver activity in not only the countries through the income generated from other sources such as its commercial income and from both chambers as soft power has strong supporters and advocates alex spoke forced to problem crossbench of buying decision from the house of lords and then to that which we think cameron the member of parliament right stephen and last may go. i'm delighted to be joined by a certain herself one of the forem

the british council some of the larger n.g.o.s to do the soft power a bit but we've never recognized them in public so you know whenever in debates or in the public arena we're all too quick to criticize these organizations saying they're not accountable when we really need is that they have made sure the government work becomes absolutely integrated in what they do and we've got to try and make sure that you know no. strategy no government strategy calls funding backed by one of your great campaigns usually has been on the overseas students and you seem to give those almost a disconnect between the policy which generates such goodwill of students being educated in this country. being liberal scotland across these islands but secondly the government's hostile attitude to the number of overseas students so what do you be doing with your campaign to try and change the government's mind i think must be stated categorically we mustn't select where those children comes from so we mustn't say for instance only tiny students are good enough only indian students are good enough we must say a

other stretching from pure parliamentary such as into parliament to union to the state funded british council which for most educational and cultural links to hybrid initiatives between government and political parties such as the westminster find ation for democracy the work of the british council can depend on support across the corner.

member of the british. council diving rick dive into. and when you hear that it's. twelve children and the young coach there in this situation what you first thought about the options or the boy ability of getting the match the first thought is just not going to go out and the kids who don't recover as before with live people on. a song about panic on the water. you can tell a kid whatever you want but in an actual situation where you've got a kid in the war the more you going to panic so first we thought it's not possible to actually dive them out. jason mellon sims first dive into the cave confirms his fees. so it's a bit of a. cost on the way out in of sometimes ease you can only just feel the line sometimes you can see if a foot in front of year. all the times it's just nothing it's all by braille and you're trying to remember all these line traps so it's quite a mentally exhausting experience to go. to any and all. right the unfolding drama is now a major international story hundreds of journalists are here in a makeshift muddy village but the food of the numbe

bill whitehouse from the british the council talking to me earlier about the extraordinary operation british cave council. more than 200 firefighters and soldiers are continuing to tackle moorland fires across greater manchester and lancashire as they try to contain the huge wildfires burning across areas near bolton and saddleworth moor. it comes as most of britain continues to swelter in the heatwave. the met office says last month was the driestjune on record in large parts of southern england. and scotland experienced its highest temperature ever recorded — 33.2 celsius in motherwell. danny savage has the latest. the full extent of the damage to the moors above bolton is astonishing. several square miles have been destroyed by fire. the bbc was given permission to fly a drone over the area. the flames burned all weekend and tonight, it's not getting much better. we've still 29 fire engines. we'll still be having significant operations through the night protecting local homes and we will be back to having in the region of 29 fire engines all day tomorrow, so there's still a huge t

member of the british council diving rick dive into. and when you hear that it's twelve children and the young coach there in this situation what you first thought about the options or the viability of getting the mash. first saw is they're not going to go out i mean the kids would recover as before with live people on. a song about panic in the water. you can tell a kid whatever you want but in an actual situation where you go a kid in the war more than likely going to panic so at first we thought it was not possible to actually dive them out. jason mellon sims first dive into the cave confirms his fears. cost on the way out of sometimes yes you can only just feel the line sometimes you can see if a foot in front of you're over times it's just nothing it's all by braille and you're trying to remember all these lined traps so it's quite a mentally exhausting experience to go back. to study all. the unfolding drama is now a major international story hundreds of journalists are here in a makeshift muddy village but the food of the number

well i'm joined now by peter dennis he is chairman of the british cave rescue council mr dennis we appreciate you being on the show this evening we know that this is a very difficult operation the divers we understand are going back into the cave tomorrow give us a sense of what makes this rescue operation now even more difficult and even riskier than it was twenty four hours ago. well good evening with very encouraged and relieved that the divers managed to bring out eight of the boys all alive it's absolutely wonderful news of course we remain anxious. there is still for the boys and the coach remaining in the cave so the monsoon is probably the big factor if the water levels rise because of heavy rain that he soon it will just make much of the operation more charges to complete we have the impact on the water quality it could wash in new sentiment and vegetation if this trench will rain we have the problem also of setting the scene making the limited visibility that already even worse in the river sections where there is existing as space it will make the flow rates of those rivers section

president openly criticizing the british council., she would have very much loved to have not had that interview, in the end, it was a bit of upset. >> i want to push forward with teresa may after pressure after a rough week dealing with the brexit. is the burden more on her to ensure the relationship with mr. trump and the u.s. is strong, especially with regard to securing trade? >> i'm not sure you can put a burden open her. i think the reactions that put these relationship at risk haven't come from the british side. we know mr. trump is dealing with the u.s. allies and this president on issues such as nato and defense and international m internationalism. his outlook is a lot more inward looking than recent presidents. officials in the you can fear is that we have, he is in the process of battling some of those alliances. i think during this trip, we didn't see them materialize quite as mush as they would like. they were seeing teresa may said she didn't do that, at the end of the summit, they were embarrassingly warm there. previ

now during peter dennis he's the chairman of the british cave rescue council welcome to you this is obviously a very dangerous operation as we have the divers are back in the cave system give us a sense of what makes this rescue operation so difficult and so risky well we're encouraged and somewhat relieved at the success yesterday to get the flow boys out which does give us some hope that we will be able to have success with the remaining eight boys their coach and we have to remember there are also some of the trying to be sealed tight as accompanying them has been with them all this time. it is a tricky and dangerous operation it will be meticulously planned and you mentioned the need for huge stocks also acid and just throughout the route well that's been carried out by a very wide range of international divers a lot of european support divers that to ensure that there are fully recharged passengers it normally requires quite a lot of have to carry on to dive but if you can imagine the accession of maneuvering one of these children through some of the many quite can strip tit obstacles th

at 9:15am, we will talk to the british cave rescue council and the former chair of the british cavingwho knows the duke british divers who found those boys and their coach, we will talk to them at quarter past nine. —— the two british divers. joanna gosling is in the bbc newsroom with a summary of the rest of the day's news. an action plan designed to protect lesbian, gay, bisexual and tra nsgender people in the uk from discrimination has been announced by the government. the £45 million proposal addresses access to healthcare, education in schools, and the proposed ban of a controversial "gay cure" therapy. nick rotherham reports. people start abusing us. these men are just three of the people that the government wants to help. the conversion therapy is like torture, you know, it's like a punishment. 40% of those who answered the survey said they had been victim of a hate crime. most never reported it. it's very hard to express the feelings. i mean, because we are also humans, so why people treat us like badly? more police training has been promised, but that's not all. 0n the back o

he is working with the british council to try to prevent more deaths from happening in mallorca. bout young british people in these kind of incidents?” would say it is exclusively an issue for young brits but it is overwhelmingly the case that most of these incidents to involve young british holiday—makers. there are a few things. when you are young you think you will live forever and will indulge in sight you more risky behaviour. a lot of these are people going on theirfirst behaviour. a lot of these are people going on their first holiday away from their parents at the ages of 18, 19. if from their parents at the ages of 18,19. if you're from their parents at the ages of 18, 19. if you're with from their parents at the ages of 18,19. if you're with a group of lads, you don't tend to look out each other. some of the incidents of all people who have had maybe too much to drink and problems occur when they become separated from theirfriends. it is when they become separated from their friends. it is a whole range of things. they all alcohol—related? not all but the majority are. i

he s the medical officer at the british cave rescue council. divers have pulled off. every day they were moving oxygen along this 2.5 mile route towards the group. can you just explain for is the intricacies and just how difficult it would have been. absolutely. it's an absolutely phenomenal achievement. it's beyond anything that we have seen in any type of rescue before. cave diving is incredibly risky, incredibly complex and the challenges involved, particularly in a cave that will not have been known to most of the people, calling teams in from around the world and the british cave rescue council is delighted to have sent over some of rescue council is delighted to have sent over some of our rescue council is delighted to have sent over some of our volunteers to help with this. the fact that it took so many days to get the rescue attempt even set up before trying to evacuate anyone goes to underline just how difficult this rescue was and what an achievement it was to pull it off. is it possible to say that actually finding them and the briti

arguably also the most dangerous it's not clear if any of the boys can swim let alone dive the british cave rescue council is advise in this rescue effort there assistant chairman is that gary mitchell and he described the risks any attempt to numb divers out of any length of ortiz is really quite serious undertaking. and we believe that tire thirty's are potentially coming up with sort of one or two plans one to take them out by the mountain stages and there is a separate pockets along the way the total length that it has it is in the region of a kilometer long so it's a six shooter and the taking of anyone that's really experienced by let alone young lads never or so rescuers are also scouring the mountain side looking for somewhere where they might actually drill a chamber to lift the boys out but creating a shaft large enough would be extremely complicated and also take a long time in the meantime orthorexic are pumping floodwaters out of the cave to try to limit the damage further rainfall a significant factor away on rescuers minds is the risk that the caves could become completely flooded. let's ta

it's not clear as we heard in the report a friend of the boys can swim let alone dive the british cave rescue council is advise english rescue efforts their assistance chairman jerry mitchell described the risks to us any attempt to numb divers out of any length of water is this really quite serious undertaking. and we believe that dorothy's are potentially coming up with sort of one or two plans one to take them out by the mountain stages and there is a separate pockets along the way the total length that it has it is in the region of a kilometer long so it's a six shooter undertaking for anyone that's really experienced by let alone young lads and never will so rescuers are also scattering the mountainside looking up the prospect of drilling into the chamber to lift the boys out but creating a shaft large enough to extract their lives would be extremely complicated and could take a long time in the meantime authorities are desperately trying to pump flood water out of the cave to limit the damage of further rainfall but it is a race against time and one factor weighing on rescuers minds is the risk

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the british cave rescue council said seven of its divers had c been part of te rescue team helping to bring the boys out. >> they have done something that we all thought was barely possible, and they pulled it off. fergus: the challenge, getting the 12 boys and their coach 2.5 miles through the narrow and flooded caves to safety. it began 17 days ago when the boys and the coach went missing. they had gone to write their names on the walls of the caves, a huge international rescue operation began. they were alone for nine days until found by two british cave divers. this was the moment. >> how many of you? 13? brliant. fergus: on july 6, a former thai navy seal died while returning to the cave, underlining how perilous the rescu owould be. thsunday, the first 4 boys were rescued. each was accompanied by two expert divers for the five-hour or more trek. through the flooded sections, they were strapped underneath one of the divers. part, 38e nrowest centimeters wide, they had to squeeze through alone with their air tank in front of them. at home in a diver listening to the moment her son

necessarily fit strath thank you mr it's unfortunate we're out of time peter davis with the british cave rescue council thank you for being on the program . we'll be back at the top of the hour with more whole new cd of the. german state by state. the most colorful. the life lyrics. the most traditional. find it all that any time. check in with a web special. take a tour of germany state by state. on t.w. dot com. treasure hunting in madagascar. it's dangerous and difficult work. but still everyone here has high hopes that they'll find a fortune. and maybe today will be their lucky day and they'll find some gemstones in the sand. dig and i'm at the now what if i were really found a sound fine it could be dangerous for me if i sell it for a lot of money the crooks will be off to me in a big hurry that would be scary i couldn't sleep at night i get out of here early in the morning and go back to my village of course people there would be watching me too but the safest thing would be to get the money out of here quickly not on a. bend and they told me that it would be out until he knows what the stone is

all in just a moment but first let's talk to bill white house he's a spokesman for the british cave rescue council and has been in direct contact with the british divers helping with the rescue in thailand he joins us on the line now from buxton in the u.k. so bill is what a relief to hear that these first boys have been coming out and the head of shed jewel as well what are you hearing about the rescue efforts. yes increase in incredible. good news the operation to bring the mouse it was is extremely dangerous and frankly very risky. and there's been a lot of planning going on in the last few days. in preparation for if the tiles or if he's gave the go ahead to to try don't have rescue. to the way to do it well whatever way they have done is they seem to have got it right because if they were if they however many of come out now if this is the process is they use work for them then god willing there's a chance that it'll work for the others as well so it's excellent use. we were as we are recording this program on sunday night the whole time it is six point we believe that is being brought out yo

arguably the most dangerous it's not even clear if any of the boys can swim let alone dive the british cave rescue council is advise ing the rescue effort they are assisting chairman gary mitchell described today the risks and the attempt to. have any basis really serious undertaking. and we believe that. potentially coming up with one or two plans one to thank them out by the mountain stages and a separate gets along the way the total length of passages in the region of a kilometer long so it's a sea shoot and to take anyone that's a really experienced by. young. and strong young lads who have to be terrified at this moment rescuers are also scouring the mountainside they're looking at the prospect of drilling in to the chamber to lift the boys out but creating a shaft large enough to extract the boys would be extremely complicated and experts say it could take a long time in the meantime authorities are desperately trying to pump flood water out of the cave to limit the damage of further rainfall but it is a race against time and one factor weighing on rescuers minds is the risk that the caves could bec

he is the vice chairman of the british rescue council, and has been in contact with those british rescueat the scene. bill, first off, let me get your reaction to the news that at least four of the boys have been rescued from the cave. >> it's incredibly good news. i think not just for the ones who have been rescued today, but it shows that the methods used to rescue them work, and therefore the same methods will hopefully be successful with their friends. >> bill, tell me a little bit about these british divers who are playing a role in the rescues. i understand there's civilians. i've heard one of them is a consultant from bristol. the other a retired firefighter from coventry. give me some sense of them and their experience in cave diving. >> right. well, i mean, they started as cavers, not just cave dives, but cave explorers. and they started getting into cave diving because when you encountered a flooded passage in a cave, if you can dive through that flooded passage, you might get into new passages. so that's the attraction to get to original exploration. so that's what's started t

the british cave rescue council said seven of its divers had been part of the cave rescue team helpingthe boys out. they've done something that i think we all thought was barely possible, you know, and they have pulled it off. the challenge, getting the 12 boys and their coach to swim 2.5 miles through these narrow and flooded caves to safety. it began 17 days ago when the boys and their coach went missing. they had gone to write their names on the walls of the cave. a huge international rescue operation began. they were alone for nine days until found by two british cave divers. this was the moment. onjuly the 6th, a former thai navy seals died while returning through the caves, underlining how perilous the rescue would be. then on sunday, the first four boys were rescued. each was accompanied by two expert divers for the five hours or more trek through the flooded sections, they were strapped underneath one of the divers. but in the narrowest part, just 38 centimetres, they had to squeeze through alone with their air tank in front of them. at home in brighton, the mother of an elite

arguably the most dangerous it's not clear if any of the boys can swim let alone dive the british cave rescue council is advising this rescue effort their assistance chairman jerry mitchell described the risks and they tend to. doubt that any will say is this really quite serious undertaking. and we believe that. potentially coming up with sort of one or two plans. they take them out by the mountain stages and a separate gets along the way the total length of it at sea is in the region of a kilometer long so it's a six shooter and to take. a really experienced by let alone. it's right young boys who were also very scared or risky was are also scarring the mountainside for a place where they might drill into the chamber to lift the boys simply al creating a shaft large enough to do this would be extremely complicated a and experts say it would take a long time in the meantime authorities are pumping floodwater out of the cave to limit the damage of further rainfall that's a significant factor weighing on rescuers minds right now the risk that the caves could become completely flood here's some of the

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bill whitehouse from the british cave rescue council, thank you for your insights. let's bring you those live pictures again from the scene. it looks like there is food assistance if i am not mistaken there. the rescue operation continues well into the night. we have been hearing reports that two of the boys have been brought out safely and we are awaiting more news on what has happened. that took around nine hours which is not as long as we were told it would take. we were expecting that they would be around at two o'clock and they have been brought out slightly earlier, but a long way to go still. let's speak to andy evers, the former head of the british caving association. what more have you been hearing about this rescue operation? to be honest, i gave a number of interviews this morning and i have been doing family things for a couple of hours. i have been married very happily for 50 years and i am trying to kid like that! i have had a number of phone calls from various people and i know as much as anybody else as to what is going on and i am absolutely delight

the british cave rescue council said seven of its divers had been part of the core rescue team helpingut. they've done something that i think we all thought was barely possible, you know, and they've pulled it off. the challenge, getting the 12 boys and their coach 2.5 miles through these narrow and flooded caves to safety. it began 17 days ago, when the boys and their coach went missing. they'd gone to write their names on the walls of the cave. a huge international rescue operation began. they were alone for nine days, untilfound by two british cave divers. this was the moment. thank you! onjuly 6th, a former thai navy seal died while returning through the caves, underlining how perilous the rescue would be. then, on sunday, the first four boys were rescued. each was accompanied by two expert divers for the five hour or more trek. through the flooded sections, they were strapped underneath one of the divers. but in the narrowest part, just 38 centimetres wide, they had to squeeze through alone, with their air tank in front of them. at home in brighton, the mum of elite diver john vol

bill white house is from the british cave rescu e bill white house is from the british cave rescue councilation from here in the uk. what more can you tell us, and what war have you been hearing from collea g u es have you been hearing from colleagues on the ground? —— what more have you been. we are having problems with those lines. back to the live pictures from the scene. it is getting incredibly dark there. our correspondent on the ground said it was getting very dark but the operation continues as they try to rescue more boys coming out of the caves. reuters have confirmed a local report saying two of the boys have come out. we don't have further information. let's try and return to bill. let's carry on bringing you those like pictures, we haven't got him. visibility is very difficult, there. let's bring you up to speed. as to what that thai mission has started to rescue those 12 boys and their football coach. it started at ten o'clock on sunday. they were trapped by monsoon floods in the north of thailand. i believe we have got bill again. i was asking whether you not heard from your

bill whitehouse of the british cave rescue council, thank you very much indeed for your analysis, andyou're watching bbc news. it is 11 minutes past midday. england's world cup semifinal had a peak audience of 19 boruc 9 million, and an online record of 3.9 million users requesting to screen the game online. england's opponents in the semifinal and wet does they will be croatia. they beat hosts russia in a penalty shoot out last night. our correspondent sarah raynsford is in samarra where the match yesterday took place. some extremely dedicated england fans we have been meeting over the past couple of days in samara, but they are pretty pleased that they made the investment because for a lot of people, they did not think england would get this far. as soon as they were sitting on the sofa or in the pub back home watching england progress and watching the team perform, a lot of them started scrambling to get tickets, as you say, to spend a small fortune to get here and to experience the moment. but the moment i think has been well worth it, they would say. in fact, they have been sayin

the british cave rescue council said seven of its divers had been part of the cave rescue team helpingboys out. they've done something that i think we all thought was barely possible, you know, and they have pulled it off. the challenge, getting the 12 boys and their coach to swim 2.5 miles through these narrow and flooded caves to safety. it began 17 days ago when the boys and their coach went missing. they'd gone to write their names on the walls of the cave. a huge international rescue operation began. they were alone for nine days until found by two british cave divers. this was the moment. 0njuly the sixth, a former thai navy seal died while returning through the caves, underlining how perilous the rescue would be. then on sunday, the first four boys were rescued. each was accompanied by two expert divers for the five hours or more trek through the flooded sections, they were strapped underneath one of the divers. but in the narrowest part, just 48 centimetres wide, they had to squeeze through alone with their air tank in front of them. at home in brighton, the mum of elite diver

would also wish to commend the incredible efforts of the authorities in volunteers fore the british cave rescue council for their role in the successful rescue operation. we wish them and we wish the boys and their families and coach who were rescued well and tonow we would all wish offer our condolences to the families of the thai diver who sadly lost his life during the rescue operation. finally, sir, i'm sure that all members whichever part of the united kingdom they come from -- -- the united kingdom would join me in congratulating the southgate and england team for their performance in the quarterfinals on saturday and wish them the very best for the evening's match against croatia. and i will happily buy a flag to help -- [cheering] in addition to my duties in this house, i have had meetings with colleagues and others and will have further meetings today. >> thank you, mr. stevens. someone who supports independence for england, i have no problem supporting england. thank you for helping to secure a public inquiry into contaminated blood. constituent and many others -- through the actualization pr

joining us by phone is bill white house, the vice chairman of the british cave rescue council.d the rescue efforts under way in thailand. thanks for joining us, we've seen new pictures over the last 12 hours of divers reaching those children, some appear to have smiles on their face which is a wonderful sight to see, i wonder if you've heard anything new from the people on the ground there? >> nothing new i'm afraid but i've been listening to your correspondents talking about the possibility of diving the children out using full face masks, certainly they would have to use full face masks. expecting them to dive in normal equipment with a gag in their mouth wouldn't be an option. it's lost of risks and difficulties but ultimately it might be the only thing they can do. there's talking about getting down via chimneys and into the cave, that is always a possibility and i know a lot of effort has been put into finding other engines into the cave which has one known entrance at the moment. the problem is this cave goes under quite a mountain as i understand it. even if you find som

politics for us magazine in oxford we have to see he is a senior policy consultant at british american security information council and in our slow we have glenn these and he is a visiting scholar at the higher school of economics all right gentlemen crossed rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want i always appreciate our marcus let me go to you first in london with the advent of donald trump and i'm not even saying the administration of donald trump but donald trump is his vision of america first compatible with the mission that we were told by the think tanks and the four thousand nato bureaucrats is it the two compatible nato's mission and donald trump go ahead marcus. yes i do believe that and i believe that one and a half years into donald trump's presidency he has clearly in categorically demonstrated that he's like his predecessors i said on cross talk to in his election campaign in two thousand and sixteen and afterwards that there would be no changes to american foreign policy under trump presidency and that there would be no changes to nato. a trump presidency i think a lot of people w

politics first magazine in oxford we have ted see he is a senior policy consultant at british american security information council and in oslo we have glenn these and he is a visiting scholar at the higher school of economics all right gentlemen crosstalk rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want i always appreciate marcus let me go to you first in london with the advent of donald trump and i'm not even saying the administration of donald trump but donald trump is his vision of america first compatible with the mission that we were told by the think tanks and the four thousand nato bureaucrats. the two compatible nato mission and donald trump go ahead mark. yes i do believe that and i believe that one and a half years into donald trump's presidency he has clearly and categorically demonstrated that he's light kids predecessors i said on cross talk during his election campaign in two thousand and sixteen and afterwards that there would be no changes to american foreign policy under trump presidency and that there would be no changes to nato and a trump presidency i think a lot of people would liv

all in just a moment but first let's talk to bill white house he's a spokesman for the british cave rescue council and has been in direct contact with the british divers helping with the rescue in thailand he joins us on the line now from buxton in the u.k. so bill what a relief to hear that these first boys have been coming out and the heads of shuttle as well what are you hearing about the rescue efforts. yes increase in incredible. good news the operation to bring the mouse it was is extremely dangerous and frankly very risky. and there's been a lot of planning going on in the last few days. in preparation for if the thai authorities gave the go ahead to to tried on a rescue. to the way to do it well whatever way they have done it may seem to have got it right because if they were if if they however many of come out now if this is the process is they use work for them then god willing there's a chance that it'll work for the others well it's the it's excellent use. of we all recording this program on sunday night the whole time it is six point we believe that is being brought out you are in tow

let's ask bill whitehouse, from the british cave rescue council. good morning.contact with them. yes, we have had messages with a bit more information. what have they told you? a bit about the dive, that they we nt you? a bit about the dive, that they went in, they had to go through about 1500 metres partly flooded and partly open passage, bits of flooded passage and a bit above water and so forth. the description in his e—mail was it was a bit of a gnarly dive, which means their work obligations and problems. quite a strong flow, current, so they were having to swim against the current and pulled themselves along the walls. the visibility in the water wouldn't have been very good. they have been diving over the weekend since the conditions got better and this was the last of the dives. we were hoping when they went in at 630 in the morning that this would be the day when we might learn something one way or the other, but about four o'clock when we got the message, it was announced on the radio that they had been found and you think, is that right? wait for the

here to talk about some of the challenges facing rescue teams, the chairman of the british cave rescue council, peter dennis. peter, we are still hours away, we're told, from divers going back into the cave for additional rescues. can you just give us some sense, if you will, the 30,000-foot view of what makes this so difficult. >> well, yes, it's a very tricky operation because there are so many different sections to the cave with varying characters. so starting off with completely socked or water filled narrow passages with tricky maneuvers to get through rock projections and the like. later on, there are deep water river sections with air space. even once they get beyond the diver assisted part of the cave, there are some tricky sections that have to be rigged, not least by some of the u.s. contingent present on site so these lads can be guided up over the rock with rope security to get them out of the cave entrance. >> right. so we have the lines. the other question i think that comes up here is about communications and how important it would be. there's been some reporting that hey phones

want to discuss this further i'm not joined by ted see a senior consultant at the british american security nation council ted thank you very much indeed for joining us well do we have a special relationship that let's look at some of the thousands of protesters on the streets how special is the relationship i would say the relationship is absolutely special kate i live in london park in oxfordshire just north of oxford and last night the president was hosted by the prime minister and both of them by the mob are of course at lenin palace and business leaders from all over the u.k. were present and they got an earful from the president about what the opportunities could be for enhanced trade relationships between the u.s. and the u.k. and that to me is the essence of a special relationship. well in terms of let's have a look at what's been said before my how much will to reason may's version of brecht's that affect the u.k.'s chance of the trade deal donald trump said it will not cause it fake news but it's it's going to make things tricky at least as. well he's tweeted that he advised her how to handle br