you know, generally speaking, and we talked about this with a panel and britt hume said almost everyime the democrats have been in charge and the republicans have forced a shutdown, you can argue as to whether or not the republicans were right or not, politically it has played to the advantage of the democratic president and to the disadvantage of republicans. you know, there's a basic argument. i know karl rove makes it. you can't govern the country from one-half of congress. when you've got a democratic senate and a democratic president, there's only -- there's a limit to what republicans can do. they can make their case. but they can't sit there and hold the government hostage. >> chris, sounds like a fascinating program. it deals with the budget and what we have to deal with with the economy. look forward to it. good to see you as always. >> let me also quickly say watch my conversation back and forth with jack lew about the phony scandals the president talks about. it gets pretty heated. >> can't wait for that. that's a huge issue, too, alleged phony scandal. we will. thanks, ch