that was after robert muller came out and said that manafort broca deal to cooperate with investigators i feel very badly for paul metaphor that feel badly for them. i think it's a very sad situation >> and i saw that just a little while ago. and certainly on a human basis, it's very sad that a very sad thing. >> i'm doing >> tonight by the former defense secretary under president trump, mark esper, and secretary, i do think that someone like paul manafort should be anywhere near the republican national convention, given what i just laid out >> well good evening, kaitlan. it wouldn't seem to be the case in most instances, right? in the normal campaign. but look, as in many others have said, trump vow values, loyalty above all else. and i think the fact that paul manafort went to went to prison and then has remained pro trump since then has encouraged incurred favor, if you will, with with donald trump and he likes that. he likes that loyalty. he likes that fealty and it's clear again, he's trying to put his people in key positions. he's already overtaken the rnc by putting it and his fo