on the call itself, we've sort of moved ahead, doug bronstein has gone over -- i'm awash in paper, theyesentation, they got a cio task force update and then we've got the actual earnings from jpmorgan as well. >> david, why isn't it more focused, why aren't his comments more focused on the incremental information that we've gotten, that this was not done in good faith now? isn't that you? ? maybe it's not something he wants to focus on. >> i think it's the news story of this morning. it's certainly what we did not know. what else very want' known is the loss was, $4.4 billion pre-tax, $1.6 billion for last quarter and they adjusted last quarter's earnings down by $459 million but you're right, joe. >> "shooting ourselves in the foot" oh, geez, we take risk, we make mistakes. well i don't know, that seems to be the, what has extended the story for us in the news business is the, that line about not done in good faith but we just heard, you saw crawford and he says they were the market, so who knows where, if you are the market, what's the difference between aggressive on where you mark s