roger: bronxville, new york. david: then you went to high school in bronxville. were a three-sport star. you were in football, basketball, baseball. and the captain of all three of those teams at your high school. you went to washington jefferson college in pennsylvania. roger: yes. david: when you graduated, you wrote your famous letter to the nfl. but what were you doing when you were waiting to hear back from the nfl? were you working in a mcdonald's or something like that? roger: i wasn't. i took some time the summer after i graduated. i focused on what i wanted to do. i eventually, because i did not hear back from the nfl in a positive way until february of the year after i graduated, i worked in the steel industry briefly. i worked for jones and locklin steel. it was a good experience for me. i managed a training program. david: eventually you get the job at the nfl. you worked for them. the commissioner was pete rozelle who was the longest-serving commissioner. you are the second-longest serving. is that right? roger: that might be true. i hadn't thought a