>> in my mind -- (music) (laughter) >> jon: never took him for a brony. and every time i think this man can't get more fascinating... is he a righteous warrior? it's one thing to feel vengeance against those who have wronged us. that's why we've always followed the vigilante's code -- i'm sorry, rule of law. rule of law. but hypothetically, what if this treatment was per traitd on someone detained wrongly, surely that would soften cheney. >> todd: i mean, let me go to gul rahman. he was chained to the wall of his cell, doused with water, froze to death in c.i.a. custody. and it turned out it was a case of mistaken identity. >> cheney: right. but the problem i have is with the folks that we did release that end up back on the battlefield. i'm more concerned with bad guys who got out and released than i am with a few that, in fact, were innocent. >> jon: it's like this guy's the vice president in a mccarthy model. call it, friendo! waa -- heads -- waaa. to be fair, i'm not saying dick cheney is using what happened on 9/11 robotically, but he uses it in serv