muslim brotherhood? >> the us doesn't understand the muslim brotherhood, at least not yet. >> reporter: egypt's revolution may have been ignited by young, secular activists, but there was another powerful force at work behind the scenes of the uprising: the long-outlawed muslim brotherhood. day 11. they opened this prayer rally on tahrir square with a moment of silence for those who died the previous day in battles with pro-mubarak vigilantes. >> reporter: many of the fallen were muslim brothers. afterwards, they were all praised for their perseverance and unity. >> reporter: anyone who's covered egypt for years knows about the brotherhood's profound influence on egyptian society. coming back at this extraordinary time, i wanted to find out what part they were playing in this revolution. >> reporter: hi. i'm charles. nice to meet you. on tahrir square, i found mohammed abbas-- a leader of the muslim brotherhood's youth wing. for the past month, abbas had been working alongside secular activists from the

many are worried muslim brotherhood. they want to establish islamic states. >> reporter reporter: hundreds of thousands want change. egypt's vice president, omar suleiman -- muslim brotherhood it is now becoming a political issue here in the u.s. house majority leader erick cantor says stop the spread of islam. that is where the focus should be. >> growing number of percent people are growing concerned about the muslim brotherhood gaining influence in a new egyptian government saying jihad is the way. >> jihad for allah, a muslim brotherhood writes is not limited to the specific region of the countries. muslim homeland is 1 and not divided and continue to be raised with the help of allah until every inch of the land will be liberated. michael youssef pastors a church in atlanta. he tells cbn news, he dreads egypt being under the muslim brotherhood. >> god may have mercy on all of us, christians, israel, the west, and going to lose an incredible powerful ally. it will be like a domino, going to start falling, jordan and a

going the muslim brotherhood a muslim brotherhood the muslim brotherhood a group you can hear a lot about charging that radical muslims want to bring some real war to the united states are working their way into conservative circles including the conservative political action conference were seen in fact after he was pointing a finger in particular at this man so hell calling if i was going to make this happen i would have fit in. seamlessly. see pack was the most wonderful place i'd ever been and it was easy to get distracted but i had to remember why i was here i'm wondering where they're hiding the muslim brotherhood. oh i understand the question frank gaffney said that the muslim brotherhood was going to be packed this year i'm just wondering where they're hiding them you've got to ask frank gaffney where are they hiding the muslim brotherhood. in the shadows ok well that's not really helpful the muslim brotherhood no i didn't do you know where they're hiding the muslim brotherhood. i think that's a no it appeared that the muslim brotherhood was going to be a lot harder to find

moving around the bush era mean it's been the way to the muslim brotherhood has been demonized in western media and by western governments i mean could they possibly play a role that the that the the west would actually recognize. i mean i think it has already jumped the gun and is threatening just i mean is threatening the world kind of with this on a scenario that the muslim brotherhood will represent the second wave of an islamist revolution and it was not very important point after a short break we'll continue our discussion on egypt today with our. and. the more people we killed the happier our officers were it got to be like a game like to see who could kill the most people and the different ways you can prove keep peace killed you know years back sometimes years you know where we had the most years they would get the most fierce you trade you should be rich overnight you women children in five men around the circle over know on full automatic whether i'm sixty. she was raped by six or seven people. only. most of the in. the world. really knew the latest in science and technology fr

it's very interesting as i mean the muslim brotherhood has been brought up here and it's been actually been run brought up late in the game as it were is events unfold i mean they were very very quiet here and then they make a statement that they're willing to work with the with whatever authorities with the other opposition groups remain to be seen if they or want to these opposition groups want to work with them but at the same time i mean it's really people that are driving this year i mean it's even remarkable if you look at social movements there's no there's no head right now there's no one person or party it's really you know in the first step it's get rid of this guy and make a society coalesce into what it needs you know to find whatever parties or ideologies or groups that are already out there muslim brotherhood has played a very small role in this so far. well for the last you know twenty or so years the only opposition that was emerging was from within the mosques kind of in a way a little bit of an untouched area from the state but what you saw happen in tunis was the eme

at the moment, we are the egyptian brotherhood, not the muslim brotherhood. the brotherhood is famously equivocal and contradictory and in what it says about itself. i think, partly because it has -- it is at least tactically quite clever in such matters. also the question of what the brotherhood actually believes or what does it intend -- we should also bear in mind that what the brotherhood might do and what it intends to do are not the same things. this is true for any political goal. if statements about democracy, and we need to understand what that might mean, or statements about religious freedom. these may well be sincerely meant, but if the party acts in such a way, if it believes the laws it passes, if it believes the versions of islamic what it wants to enforce will lead to such freedom and democracy, it is mistaken. even what the brotherhood might sincerely say about itself might not give us too much indication of what might happen. what i would like to do as a means of investigating possible outcomes of the brotherhood's power is to look at two so

rick, we heard christiane talk about the muslim brotherhood. bill o'reilly asked the president about that organization and if it is anti-american. what did the president say? >> reporter: the president said there are strains of the brotherhood that are anti-american, but significantly, jake, he rejected the idea that the only two choices in egypt are between the muslim brotherhood and a repressed egyptian people. he said, certainly, the muslim brotherhood is well organized, but they do not have majority support and there are others in egypt who will have a say. >> and o'reilly suggested that president obama is moving to the center to improve his standing. how did the president respond to that? >> reporter: presidents never like to say they're moving. the president said, i didn't move, i'm the same guy. he talked about his plans for investing in education and trying to create jobs. those are the messages he wanted to deliver by accepting an interview like this in the first place. for 12 minutes or so, the president got to push back against the m

the brotherhood is only one of them. hower, the brotherhood iver well-organized, and they've been around for a long time. they're a social organization. they run hospitals. they do a lot of sort of social work in egypt. so they are very, very influential. >> but in terms of policies, what would it mean -- a policy, for instance, of egypt toward israel or toward the united states? >> the brotherhood's position today, and actually one of their leaders has been on television answering that question and he's been reluctant to answer, he says, we don't know yet, let's not talk about foreign policy. but historically, the position ofhe movement has been against the peace agreement with israel. >> one of the issues i've been interested to watch is different representatives from the muslim brotherhood this week were sort of doing a western "pr" campaign, and many of them said we want to have democracy but we don't want it to look like american democracy per se. and they said they do want to see islamic values somehow incorporated

the muslim brotherhood have been around for since nineteen twenty eight. in one thousand nine hundred sixty or announced violence they have been trying their best under the most extreme of circumstances to be a civil society type of organization the are very much institutionalized and they have been suppressed and oppressed by hosni mubarak really under the gun under the with the support of the united states and other powers so this has got to change the muslim brotherhood has got to become a mainstream organization a political movement like every other more you know this is a very interesting we need to see it's very interesting in the upcoming elections the only large organization in egypt today that could actually help pull that off is the muslim brotherhood and that would be quite remarkable and they were i believe considering what they've said for the last ten years at least that they would support a democratic process they would john with what if that were to happen you think they let you do the brownshirts over at fox really is going to leave you kn

mubarak has been selling to the world for decades now about fears of having the muslim brotherhood coming to power it's up to the egyptian people to decide for themselves who they want to see coming to power whether it's the muslim brotherhood or indeed other candidates of which there are many waiting to play a crucial role in the future of the country the muslim brotherhood narrative is a black and white narrative it's a very linear one and it doesn't the egyptian people do not buy it at all they want to be able to they want to be respected as individuals and indeed make individual choices for themselves. it's very interesting as i mean the muslim brotherhood has been brought up here and it's been actually been run brought up late in the game as it were is events unfold i mean they were very very quiet here and then they make a statement that they're willing to work with the with whatever authorities would on the other opposition groups remain to be seen if they want to these opposition groups want to work with them but at the same time i mean it's really people that are driving this yea

the long out lawed muslim brotherhood. day 11. they opened this prayer rally on tahrir square with a moment of silence for those who died the previous day in battles with pro mubarak vij it anti-s. many of the fallen were muslim brothers. afterwards they were all praised for their perseverance and unity. anyone who has covered egypt for years knows about the brotherhood's profound influence on egyptian society. coming back at this extraordinary time i wanted to find out what part they were playing in this revolution. nice to meet you. >> reporter: on tahrir square, i found mohammed abba, a leader of the muslim brotherhood's youth wing. for the past month he had been working alongside secular activists from the april 6 movement to help organize the revolt. he was eager to show us what he and his fellow brothers had contributed. it was not until three days into the protest that the muslim brotherhood senior leadership officially threw their weight behind the revolt. now the brothers were running the security check points. serving ho

muslim brotherhood just see part of their lives in society so i don't think that the will dominate the scene of asia egypt is in fact very various groups are there and i don't think they're muslim brotherhood would be the role of egypt at the moment can we see radical groups that are coming to the fore in the middle east in such a way that we could see the muslim middle east turning its back on the west no i think that the west is not just unfair for. the world and if we can see good policies and they are enthusiastic to justice the field here and democracy i think everything will be a balance the muslim brotherhood says it is not going to continue with talks with the government because it doesn't believe that the government is committed to real constitutional change are they right muslim brotherhood were right because they have you have as for the authority now they've got the credibility. and legitimacy as well so the again. legitimacy and a vision of the authority of the sun came he came back to the states for the muslim brotherhood is one of the focuses of what people around the in

if i resign today, there will be chaos and the muslim brotherhood would take over." for now, president mubarak remains in the presidential palace with his family. there had been widespread rumors that his son had fled, perhaps to london, but we saw him there when we spoke to him. president mubarak told me, "i would never run away from this country. i will die on this soil," and he defended his legacy, recounting the many years he spent leading this country. after my meeting with president mubarak, i sat down for an exclusive interview with his new vice president. i asked whether he would ever authorize the army to use force against the anti-government protesters, and he insisted repeatedly he would never order force against the protesters. he hoped they would go home. he said he hopes, "they don't follow through with their pledge to have another massive march on friday after midday prayers." he said the people should understand president mubarak has met their demands to step down and not run for reelection. he said they would reform the constitution and the election

so i think we need to stop looking at the muslim brotherhood as if they are you know like you said the boogie man you know he's using the only reason why i say i don't care you know where he only reason why i said i understand the reason why i said it is because i'm i'm trying to react to what the mainstream is saying and i'm absolutely agree with juan and i mean what you say i agree with you well but i mean this is the spectrum and i think that that unfortunately that is the spectrum of how people look at these events on plane which i think it's very unfair go ahead. and i understand and it is unfair and that's what i wanted to that's what i wanted to point out the muslim brotherhood is is a group that's made up of largely professionals doctors engineers you know despite the the perception in the west they are not this is not a group of clergy or or radical in moms who are calling you know for. for you know radical sharia law or anything like that but they are an integral part of of egyptian society and they should have a voice and parliamentary elections why not why should why should

within those groups were representatives of secular parties who were representatives of the muslim brotherhood were independent legal experts as well as a number of representatives for mohamed el baradei and he of course is the former head of the international atomic energy agency who has indicated that he will be prepared to head an interim government the muslim brotherhood really is the focus of the discussion and the debate here in egypt because before yesterday they said that they would not meet with the government if there was not agreement on president hosni mubarak stepping down the brotherhood has been at pains to say that they have not changed their stance they have to afford it when these kind of discussions and not negotiations and what we do understand is that it will be through the day monday but what is noticeable is that the opposition voices on the north that unified they certainly do need somebody to bring them together to keep the momentum and to represent the point of view because by and large every day that these kids meet with the government despite this call from the bar

he has his own group which is the brotherhood muslim or have links to muslim brotherhood and muslim brotherhoodaid they want to meet with me without mr. elbaradei. >> what do you understand by transition must happen now as the united states is saying and many other countries are saying? >> it is the process starting by national dialogue which has started this morning, and we will continue tomorrow and after tomorrow. we want the young people to know that all your demands, all your hoff positive, and we promise that we will do and we need quiet time to implement these things. >> what is your fear if president mubarak was to say i've had enough? he's told me that he's had enough, 62 years of public service, and he wants to go but not quite yet. what are the concerns? why would he not go now? >> we don't want chaos in our country. if president mubarak would say i'm leaving, now who would take over? in the constitution that means the speaker would take over. i think with this atmosphere, that means that the other people who have their own agenda will make instability in our country. >> will you pre

but the fact that the muslim brotherhood is coming to the fore is significant because it certainly is sending out a lawn bells another need to elsewhere in the region that this group which does to some extent have an islamist agenda could be gaining momentum the muslim brotherhood after meeting with the government did issue a statement in which it did not trust the government so how this will evolve and how this will develop remains to be seen but as i discussed with a number of people it certainly is an issue that people are focusing on. it didn't get more than. passing mention in the mainstream media hizbollah him us and muslim brotherhood members in a jail break. from here and one to lebanon there's no way to go to lebanon from egypt only to go to the sea or to fly so who help them any one of the thousands of protesters on egypt streets. support for the demonstrators has faded fast and although the muslim brotherhood the country's largest opposition group with an islamist agenda got involved only on day three that says mom to ramsey is part of the plan the muslim brotherhood will a

regime has held on presidential talks with the muslim brotherhood which is banned in the country but all too often fortnight of rallies demonstrations in cairo say they won't beat the street the president resides. on russia's police force is in line from non-survival along the president signs a bill to have the meat branded angry for the changes i am disappointed corruption and abuse of power by office it's. now an all special report we find out about wall sign and casualty the environment skulled lands and wounded lives is coming up next here on aussie. sometimes we think that it's easier to make war and to work to prevent it or to clean up after it the military is a major player in terms of environmental outcomes. the environment is wars silent casualty when we talk about the costs of war we rarely focus on what happens to the way the enemy.

but they also say one activity the arian brotherhood is extremely adepartment at is murder. convicted murderer douglas young of san jose used to be a member of the arian brotherhood until he became an informant against the group. so you yourself killed other inmates? >> yeah. yeah. it was a prerequisite. that was to earn your bones. even before you got in you had to show your bones and your loyalty. >> there was a guy there. i liked him a lot. he was a friend. he was involved in something he shouldn't have been. he was investigated for three to four months. when we couldn't clear him i had to cut his throat. >> reporter: the arian brotherhood's is contract killings, racketeering and drug trafficking. last month federal and state authorities announced the indictments of more than 30 alleged members of the arian brotherhood for 16 murders. >> they have membership and partnerships that reach far beyond the prison walls. there may be a murder in the community and it will be reported as a drug deal gone bad. when, in fact, it could be the direct business of the arian brotherhood.

they're the muslim brotherhood, religious conservatives often secretive and poorly understood. what is clear here, they want an egyptian islamic state. and this week they stepped out of the shadows and joined these protesters demanding mubarak step down. >> (translated): for so long we have voiced our objection of this criminal policies which have spoiled all aspects of life in egypt and all those who sought to express their opinion. >> reporter: the brotherhood, formed in 1928, is the world's oldest and most influential islamic movement and hosni mubarak's sworn enemy. illegal in egypt, but tolerated to a point. its members frequently harassed and arrested by mubarak state police. as a social charity, the brotherhood's won over many egyptians, and in 2005 they startled mubarak by winning 88 legislative seats, about one- fifth of egypt's parliament. but last year, they boycotted or lost every seat in mubarak's rigged elections. the brotherhood rejects violence with some exceptions, and for that groups like hamas and al qaeda have denounced them. but even here some critics worry

at the moment, we are the egyptian brotherhood, not the muslim brotherhood. the brotherhood is famously equivocal and contradictory and in what it says about itself. i think, partly because it has -- it is at least tactically quite clever in such matters. also the question of what the brotherhood actually believes or what does it intend -- we should also bear in mind that what the brotherhood might do and what it intes to do are not the same things. this is true for any political goal. if statements about democracy, and we need to understand what that might mean, or statements about religious freedom. these may well be sincerely meant, but if the party acts in such a way, if it believes the laws it passes, if it believes the versions of islamic what it wants to enforce will lead to such freedom and democracy, it is mistaken. even what the brotherhood might sincerely say about itself might not give us too much indication of what might happen. what i would like to do as a means of investigating possible outcomes of the brotherhood's power is to look at two sour

>> on tuesday nhk world interviewed the brotherhood's deputy chairman. he hinted at a more flexible attitude. >> translator: legally, we cannot cancel international treaties, including the peace agreement between egypt and israel, but we intend to ask the people for their opinion on this issue. any agreement should be discussed by parliament and the egyptian people must be allowed to speak. >> however, the deputed leader reiterated his demand that mubarak resign immediately. he warned that if the government refuses, then the muslim brotherhood will not take part in further dialogue. if the brotherhood gains more influence in these transition talks or in the next government, it could have an impact on the relations between egypt and its allies, especially the u.s. that's something we have to watch closely. >> yasushi thanks again for coming in. nhk world's yasushi kudo. >>> a committee investigating a sumo match fixing scandal is urging about 70 rikishi wrestlers to submit mobile phones and bank statements for examination. the scandal surfaced earlier thi

the brotherhood get some of its funding from me ran and tehran is already cashing in its foreign minister says the protests show the need for an overhaul in the region and ayatollah ali khamenei has called the protests an islamic awakening there's an opportunity for an increased role for muslims in the international arena from a political and economic perspective for the first time in quite a long while six years ago the american national intelligence council which is linked to the cia warned of exactly this it mapped out of a. paulton the global future it consisted of a caliphate one big muslim state created through social unrest a slowdown in the economy and fueled by religious movements if such a pan regional union did genuinely come into being such a regional union would necessitate the breaking of very strong very resistant bonds that exist between the u.s. and many of the participants in such a putative arab muslim world and the u.s. is already feeling the heat with confusing messages coming from an administration that's unsure what to do when the protests first started president ob

the muslim brotherhood has been banned for decades. suleiman, head of the intelligence service, has tracked the brotherhood down. now, they are discussing egypt's political future together. after the meeting, egypt announced it would go further, by soon lifting martial law in play since anwar sadat was assassinated in 1981, allowing more presidential candidates to run in future elections and greater freedom of the press. it is almost everything the opposition has asked for, but is it real? this man has worked for democracy in egypt for years. tonight, he is skeptical. >> all this talk about not not running again and all the reform, et cetera, is lies. and if those kids leave, mubarak is going to turn back on all the promises he made. >> reporter: and there is still the open question of tahrir square where thousands of protesters remain camped out. today, they held prayers for the 12 or more people killed in the violence. the protesters still draw a huge crowd and say they will only stop if mubarak resigns and leaves the country. >> we