serve blacks in tallahassee, florida and would be able to buy food for her and her cousin who is brown skind and could not get near the place. she would buy the food and they will laugh about it. >> i will tell you that my mother, this is my mother's family. my mother was fair enough to pass. she never went to bed passing. she never spent a night passing much there were occasions when she didn't declare what she really was. and one of those occasions was needing to go to the doctor and not having that care available for an african-american child. and so she passed in order to do that. she in order to get a job, she did that. but again it was very specific and wasn't a denial of heritage it was in order to get something and make something happen. that is the realization i came to that that was a reality. it was a reality of the time. >> also does make you realize how silly the notion of race is in a way that -- that someone's assumptions about you can change the way they feel about you. >> right. >> so much. >> ridiculous. >> willing to give something here and willing not to give it and you a