. >> today in kansas a law signed by governor sam brownback which declares that life begins at fertilizationinto effect. and last night in ohio governor john kasich signed into law the state's new budget that cuts funding to planned parenthood and would strip rape crisis centers of their funding if they counsel women about abortion. any abortion options. also in the state budget a provision that would force women to have an ultrasound before an abortion and prohibits women from being transferred to public hospitals if they need additional care after an abortion procedure. joining me now, cecile richards, president of planned parenthood federation of america, and anna marie cox, columnist for "the guardian." cecile, you're back in texas. this fight resumes. what strategies do you think are possible for wendy davis now against the governor? >> well, today was an extraordinary day here, lawrence. literally, the legislature came back because much governor perry's trying to push through these bills that are so extreme he couldn't get them down in a regular session. obviously, he couldn't even get

and now it looks like the thesis was correct because with me leaving, governor brownback was electedwho is extremely conservative. the legislature has become extremely conservative and yet there are still elements of moderate politics within the state. so we've had this very interesting dynamic for the last couple of years where the republican governor very strongly against the medicaid expansion and the aca in general, and a republican insurance commissioner in sandy prager who's a moderate republican who actually supported the legislation, wanted very badly for an exchange to be set up and implemented. and when you pit a governor against an insurance commissioner, guess what? the governor usually wins. and that's what has happened in kansas. but it's been very interesting to watch. >> mark, i'll start with mark, you lived through, survived, choose your own verb, the implementation of mma which was hard and complicated and had bumps. it was not technically as complicated, nor was it politically as devisive. there were some democrats who voted for it, and even those democrats who fou

. >> ito coming we have many conservatives, governor brownback, insurance commissioner who has wanted to go ahead with the implementation and a governor who doesn't want to go near it. and the governor prevailed. as you keep track, what is the intensity their. >> the politics is interesting. i have lived in texas for 50 years. i still have trouble understanding it. it's like you have kansas, that has transformed itself and quickly disproved when kathleen sebelius was elected and is dropped off over the last two years of her term. will with me leaving with governor brownback elected and the legislature has been extremely conservative. yet there are elements of moderate politics. we have this very interesting dynamic for the last couple of years where the republican governor very strongly against the medicaid expansion in the aca in general, one more moderate republican who actually supported the legislation wanted very badly from exchange to be set up in four to be implemented. it has been very interesting to watch. >> is very interesting. you have lived through the implementation, whi

. >> you succeeded secretary sibelius and now you have a conservative governor brownback. you have had a controversy between an insurance commission in the state who is wanted to go ahead with a lot of implementation and a governor who does not want to go near it and the governor prevailed. you're living in washington, but you keep track. what is the intensity there? in kansas iscs incredibly interesting. i have lived in kansas for the five years and i do not understand it. thomas frank wrote 15 years ago what is wrong with kansas and opined kansas had transformed itself into a permanent conservative state. he was disproved when kathleen sebelius was elected governor and served for six years and i finished off the last two years of her term. now it looks like thomas frank's thesis was correct, with me leaving, governor brownback was elected, extremely conservative, the legislature has become conservative, and there are still a myth of moderate the state. he have had this interesting dynamic the last few years were republican governor is strongly against the medicaid expans

the kansas chamber of commerce brought me out to kansas to speak with the governor, brownback, who'sthe country and the legislate cur, the leadership's committed to doing that, and the chamber was trying to make sure that some of these immigrants, that some of the anti-immigrant legislators were thinking about doing something like arizona were tamped down, and they are going to probably move more along the lines of utah which is the opposite of arizona. so kansas, business community, communities of faith, very active in moving in the right direction. this has been an issue where radio talk show hosts have driven it to a certain extent on the right, and you can get pretty wealthy in this country with 5% market share on talk radio. you can't, however, be elected dogcatcher with 5% market share. so you've had that conversation. but at the other time, look, all the major business groups and minor and state group, the various commitments of faith -- communities of faith are all out there. take a look at the list of people who might run for president four and eight years from now -- [inaud

. >> you succeeded secretary sibelius and now you have a conservative governor, governor brownback.een an insurance commission in the state who is wanting to go ahead with a lot of implementation and a governor who does not want to go near it, and the governor prevailed. you're living in washington, but you keep track. what is the intensity there? >> the politics in kansas is incredibly interesting. i have lived in kansas for the-- for 55 years, and i do not understand it. thomas frank wrote 15 years ago about what is wrong with kansas and opined kansas had transformed itself into a permanent conservative state. he was disproved when kathleen sebelius was elected governor and served for six years and i finished off the last two years of her term. now it looks like thomas frank's thesis was correct, with me leaving, governor brownback was elected, extremely conservative, the legislature has become conservative, and there are still moderates in the state. he have had this interesting dynamic the last few years were republican governor is strongly against the medicaid expansion and the

with me leaving governor brownback was elected who is extremely conserve. the legislature is extremely conservative yet there are elements of modrat politics within the state. we've had a very interesting dynamic last couple years, the rub republican governor strongly against the medicaid expansion and aca in general and republican insurance commissioner, sandy prager a moderate republican who supported the legislation wanted very badly for an exchange to be set up and implemented. when you put a governor against a insurance commissioner, guess what? the governor usually wins. that is what happened in kansas but it is very interesting to watch. >> mark and, anne, i start with mark, you lived through and survived to use our own word implementation of mma which was hard and complicated and had bumps. it is not technically as complicated nor as politically divisive. some democrats voted for it. as you talked about before even those democrats that fought about it in washington they went home and were not quite as emphatic in terms of enrollment, people in the l