[bruce babbitt] there's presently no such thing as clean coal. in the ads that you read and the propaganda that you see from the industry advertising clean coal is patently false. [narrator] the torgerson timber mill in bicknell, utah is silent on most days. the family business is run by brothers ryan and john torgerson. [john torgerson] we figured this would be what we'd do for the rest of our lives. just like my dad did. narrator they say their business is enduring hard times due to too many regulations. [ryan torgerson] well it's pretty tough to work with the environmental community; they don't support logging. they file appeals against forest service timber sales and tie it up in litigation making it so you can't, log the timber, and it's pretty tough. [heidi mcintosh] i think that wilderness gets controversial because it is about not just the land sometimes, but it's about the cultural divide between the people who live near wilderness areas. [narrator] the conservation debate is focused by a logging mill in a small town. on one side, is wha