back now with bruce haines and jason johnson.ng the conversation laura vasquez of the national council of los angeles was, a you watched this debate closely, were you surprise it too being this sudden turn? >> well, i mean i think it was something we saw coming based on what mr. trump had been saying, unfortunately he's not proposing slingses he selling make believe as you have talked about. these are not real solutions he's proposal. he's trying to talk about some sort of fantasy where these are very simple issues that you can address with a lot of toughness. with being tough in dealing with 11 million people that are firmly entrenched in our country. and in our community. >> but he proses what you call fantasy and rises to the top of the heap. that must be concerning for your organization, isn't it? >> well, certainly. we know that there is support across the country for a realistic and pragmatic solution. americans are pragmatic, they want to see issues be involved in a way that any know can actually be implement ed in a way t

. >> bruce haines, how damaging is this for republican party and how stainable is this trump surge?e cannon. he is taking the attention off jeb bush who was for a lot of republicans supposed to be the guy who was going to be nominated by the republicans. so talk to us about how long that can go on for without really taking a toll on the party. >> well i think, actually, if you look at it, account go on for a long time. you've got donald trump. he's leading in the state polls in iowa and new hampshire and south carolina. and he has access to a politician's best friend in a long campaign and that's ready money. he can spend. he's got big staffs of credible operatives in these states. he can go on a long time. i think whether it's damaging or not depends on does trump mature as a candidate? do his views become more well better formed? and does he continue to draw people into a conversation that republicans would like to have as opposed to one that sounds shrill and angry? >> and in the next hour we will talk about hillary clinton's e-mail server and jeb bush's low poll numbers. >>> don

joining me now is bruce haines, south carolina republican strategist, thanks for coming in.ises eyebrows about the viability of al campaign because you need money and you need money to stay in the race. the campaign acknowledges now they have tough money decisions to make, but what does that mean for his organization and his chances in places like south carolina? >> well, little head, it's not good. you know, iowa, new hampshire, south carolina, these are food, water, and shelter if you're running for president. they are the three early states where you have to punch through, you have to demonstrate that you have the chops to run a long campaign, that you can be as donald trump likes to say, a winner. and south carolina is particularly critical for rick perry, he was actually poised to win the state when he ran in 2012 and his campaign hit some bad spots, and he said some difficult things in some debates, and dropped out right before the south carolina primary. so it would have been a likely target to see rick perry mount a breakthrough again, and so for him to drop all of h