bruce heiman, practice ace area leader of polly and regulatory practice.organ reed, director of association of competitive technology, the app association. and ryan hagemann, policy analyst at niskanen center. so thanks to all of you for being here. jules, why don't we start with you? >> thanks and i will be brief because i'm confident dan and crew invited before they invited this lineup of leaders in the debate so i will speak with some humility and set a little bit after opening tone. rare for those of you who know me rare to speak for ability in the think tank business. don't laugh that much. when you're in the think tank business you're business is to think, more you think with loud and strident views better you are apparently but i'm really humbled by this issue frankly. although we've written in support of strong krypto and insuring strong protection barring backdoors, i will tell you this is issue i'm truly humbled by. i hope we figure out the right answers frankly but i'm certainly confident that the right answers are how we can fight terror and ho

bruce heiman, who is a practice area leader of k.l. and gates's policy and regulatory practice.gan reed, executive director of the association for competitive technology, the app association. and ryan hagemann, technology and civil liberties policy analyst at the niskanen center. thanks to all of you for being here. jules, why don't we start with you? >> thanks. and i'll be brief because i'm confident that dan and crew invited me before they were able to line up these people who are the leaders in this debate. so i'll speak with some humility and hopefully set a little bit of an opening tone. it's rare for those of you who know me to speak with humility. in the think tank business it's -- no, don't laugh that much. when you're in the think tank business your business is to think and the more you think with loud and strident, you know, views the better you are apparently. but i am really humbled by this issue frankly. and though we've written in support of strong crypto and ensuring strong protection and barring back doors, i will tell you this is an issue that i am truly humbled