steve, bruce jackson and mike. rich, is it time to put this on hold? $2 trillion. >> that's a lot of money and that really it hads economic growth. the only way we

steve, bruce jackson and mike. rich, is it time to put this on hold? $2 trillion. >> that's a lot of money and that really it hads economic growth. the only way we get out of our problems, whether it's the entitlement bond or getting people out of poverty, we have to have economic growth. to steal $2 trillion is almost a crime. and the irony is the faster economies grow -- or at least america's company -- the more people want clean air and water and all the other kind of stuff. and people come in and do those things anyway. look at the natural gas phenomenon. it didn't take the epa to hammer coal. it took the business owners to really put the hurt on coal. >> steve, $2 trillion for a theory. what do you think? >> i guess i'm the token tree hugger today. it's not a theory, it's real. if you go to nasa, look up the charts, they have century old data. meanwhile, icecaps, other way. this is not models. this is not nearri r-- theories this is facts. we never went above -- this is human made and it's happening right now. >> by the way, you're not just the on

rich and elizabeth, bruce jackson, rick unger and john. so steve, this is the only hope a lot of these kids have. >> absolutely, david. that's why parents are so adaamant about it. they want them to have a ticket for the future. i'm here in chicago, out here the mayor is in favor, rahm emanuel, so kids in chicago, 13% than in new york which is 6 or 7%. out here the mayor knows they are a ticket to the future. he is a great fan of them. so the more charter schools the better. and at least one mayor out here gets it even if de blasio in new york does not. >> bruce, the reason,et's be clear about it, the reasons that the unions hate these schools is because they don't have to hire union teachers. >> well, that's part of it. i'm out in denver for health care conference, but one of the things going on in chicago where i live is that they closed 50 schools and the mayor does get some credit for opening charter schools, but he's only opened a handful and the unions in a lot of people, the taxpayers are asking questions saying you know, who is own

rich and elizabeth, bruce jackson, rick unger and john.his is the only hope a lot of these kids have. >> absolutely, david. that's why parents are so adaamant about it. they want them to have a ticket for the future. i'm here in chicago, out here the mayor is in favor, rahm emanuel, so kids in chicago, 13% than in new york which is 6 or 7%. out here the mayor knows they are a ticket to the future. he is a great fan of them. so the more charter schools the better. and at least one mayor out here gets it even if de blasio in new york does not. >> bruce, the reason, let's be clear about it, the reasons that the unions hate these schools is because they don't have to hire union teachers. >> well, that's part of it. i'm out in denver for health care conference, but one of the things going on in chicago where i live is that they closed 50 schools and the mayor does get some credit for opening charter schools, but he's only opened a handful and the unions in a lot of people, the taxpayers are asking questions saying you know, who is owning these