is a bree that schafer, bruce jeffson. rich, can we afford it? >> david, may i say that i want freshly squeezed orange juice out of every public water fountain? >> you can. >> it's in the constitution. it's a right. >> it is. 60% of americans think we are in recession. it is not a debate that there is widespread economic despair. the problem is we don't have enough economic growth. we have been stuck in the 2% growth economy. if we could get it to 3 or 4% growth. we would create the health. then let's have the discussion whether we should give away more stuff. we have to put the horse before the cart. talk about economic growth. >> and where is the money coming from? how can we grow the public sector more when we can't grow tax money more? >> part of it i would say is about priorities and how the money is allocated. setting aside the two wars in the last decade, if you get the undocumented workers paying taxes on the path to citizenship that helps raise money and you could give them freebies. >> mike, it's about immigration. the immigrants will p