she asked if bruce ohr went all the way to then candidate trump. bruce ohr said, yes.as the basis for this meeting. your reaction? >> that is pretty extraordinary, that was occurring, that was just assumed even when there were questions about the underlying evidence from steele and other sources. it is also extraordinary, at the time more people were not asking questions. it raise as broader question of what exactly was happening at the obama justice department, that this type of inquiry and conduct seemed to occur, continuously at very high levels. liz: at high levels, high levels inside of the russian hierarchy. we have the controversy over fbi fisa abuse denier. that is what he is being called, appointed by the fisa court to oversee fbi fisa reforms. mark meadows is upset about it. devin nunez is upset about this. david kris has basically downplayed the fbi's misleading and abusive, abusing the fisa court to spy on carter page. your reaction to this story? >> i certainly understand why mr. nunes and mr. meadows are so concerned because you're right about the positio

it is not a conspiracy that the dossier was shared with the department of justice through bruce ohr, who was the number four ranking member of the department of justice at that time because his wife happened to be working for the organization, fusion gps, that was putting the dossier togeth together. this is also not a conspiracy. it sounds like one, except it's real. it's also not a conspiracy that that dossier, purchased dossier, was taken by the fbi, submitted to the foreign intelligence surveillance court to obtain a foreign intelligence surveillance order on an american citizen. it is also not a conspiracy that that court issued an order, two of them now, condemning the fbi's practice and acknowledging that many of those orders were not properly issued. none of that is a conspiracy theory. that is just the facts. thank you. >> thank you, council. the senator from wisconsin. >> mr. chief justice, i sent a question to the desk for both president's council and house managers. >> thank you. >> the question from senator baldwin's for both parties, and counsel for the president will a

handled by christopher steele through nellie ohr to, to jerez bend, the fourth ranking member , bruce ohr, all of this is going on, he doesn't want to tell, he doesn't want to testify to this, he doesn't want to tell anybody what he's doing because he's afraid he might have to stop. might have to stop. how did this happen? this is the federal bureau of investigation. and then we ask, why is the president concerned about advice he's been given. put yourself in his shoes. put yourself in his shoes. we have given you, and our approach has been, to give an overview, and to be very specific. to remove a duly elected president, which is what you're being asked to do, essentially for policy disagreements. we heard a lot about policy. although, the one that i still, it still troubles me. this idea that the president, it was said by several of the managers, is only doing these things for himself. understanding what is going on in the world today, as we are here, they raised it, by the way, i'm not trying to be disrespectful, they raised it. this president is only doing things for himself while the