ben fit level or whatever and if they get that kind of cover from the president's commission with bruce reed and allen simpson endorsing it and the president endorsing the tea party people can find common ground for long-term debt solution. i think you can get a majority. it's a delightful umbrella to get out from under the umbrella. it will take a lot of heat and a real proposal and there's a hope for once in the next five or ten years they can get under an umbrella and say we're going face the heat on this thing and get debt reduction in the long term. >> i'm a little less optimistic because you have to have tax increases and spending cuts and not sure too many republicans or democrats are going to agree with that. >> the social security commission ran by allen greenspan and tommy o'neil is telling the story his father was at the white house, tip o'neil and they went for a walk on the south lawn and built the deal. in that case it was more taxes and more of a democratic solution because the republicans lost the '82 election. this time because the democrats lost the 2010 election they have

and as bruce reed, the head of the commission, the executive director of the commission and presidentormer adviser said this morning, we don't have to do everything all at once. this is a long-term program. we can move forward in this. the important thing is don't reject stuff out of hand. let's wait a minute, let's look at it all, let's debate it, think about it. don't come in here and say that's dead on arrival. that phrase, i'm so sick of hearing it here in washington. there's a lot of stuff that shouldn't be dead on arrival, and this is one of them. >> picking up on what peter said, marco rubio, a young senator, real hope of the republican party, tremendous tea party support, he said, i think we may have to raise the retirement age on social security to 70 years old. it was very courageous. now i've talked to dick durbin who i think was on that committee, a democratic senator, when he makes a point and we were talking, if you're a coal miner and you've worked hard all your life in those mines maybe you don't take those folks up to 70. they retire earlier where some of the white co