marathon asset management bruce richards with us today he'll tell us why the soft landing camp in the markets is wrong. he's been on the recession train. >> co ceos of on runnings will join us. >> ali mccarthy on finding value in cheaper cyclicals >> about 1% declines even though yields, which shot up after retail sales this morning, have come back. ten-year's back to 417 vix at 16. jpmorgan's point this morning was typically, you have the s&p down two plus maybe a dozen times since covid. couple of those were in the depths of covid but generally, it's when the vix was about 20 unless we get a shock, maybe the selling is going to end soon >> if you're looking for why today, there's a slew of reasons. started overnight in china with weaker economic data across the board even though we got a rate cut there, which should be supportive top data in the u.k. and in the u.s., the data was mixed retail sales, a lot stronger but markets quit trying to figure out whether good news is good or bad news is bad because it keeps the feds hiking rates higher for longer that 1% control group number th