fact that they're downplaying the role of cyber security and their operations there's a book by bruce schneier which i absolutely love it's called click here to kill everybody and i think it's really a great metaphor for what's happening right now if people and specially companies are getting very ignorant when it comes to their operations and the cyber security stuff they need to comply with all right we've run out of times we're going to have to leave the conversation there thank you so much to all of our guests jody west because lena go on to and caroline cinders. and thank you for watching you can see the program again any time a visiting our website al jazeera dot com and for further discussion go to our facebook page that's facebook dot com forward slash a.j. inside story you can also join the conversation on twitter our handle is at a.j. inside story from emergency room in the whole team here bye for now. from the al-jazeera london broil cost center to people in thoughtful conversation i got much less races than when i was at the university of oxford it was really scared me because i wa