we would do church in the cuny homes project, we called it church of the brucks, bricks is another nameers and won. that picture you see is us taking a picture after they won the tournament. eric: and there he is playing basketball at the tournament. you just said something that was very important. you said george floyd has, quote, been to the wars and made some mistakes. you know what critics are saying, they say, look, he a had an arrest record, he served time in prison reports say for home invasion back in 2007, and they've criticized him for that. is that fair? does that a matter or does that show that he was able to redeem himself in the ministry? >> well, there's something that's interesting. christianity is, the narrative christianity not about -- [inaudible] it's about redemption. and i think he epitomized redemption, how god takes a life that a may have gone one way. and when i met him, i met him, you know, way after that. so what i met was somebody -- the person i met was somebody who's on their journey towards growing in their faith in christ and also, more importantly, impac