still with us john norquist, chris klemek and robert brugman. you heard robert bruman put atlanta under the pack. should it operate normally on most days or when it's under stress? >> i think there is a distinction, two different arguments going on here. should there be giant grade separated freeways in the middle of cities, do they help cities function better? the answer to that is no. if they had to spend their own money, cities wouldn't build them in the first place. it comes from outside, from the state and federal government and so they build it. and when they need it the most, it fails. so what you have is a malfunction of the system. and it gets heightened by the fact that atlanta's a warm weather state for the most part so they're not used to dealing with snow. i really -- you know, i think it would be about for atlanta to have more transit. i don't think that atlanta needs to try to be manhattan. i think it's okay if somebody wants to live in a single family house 20 miles away from town or whatever. the question is: what do you want to