dad has suffered the brunn of that. he outspent five or six to one. he has really borne the brunt of the negative ads. but a couple things, one is santorum, some of the other front-runners might turn to look at santorum now. dad and santorum have a very good relationship. as you know, santorum served under my dad when my dad was speaker and he was, he often talked about how he helped reform welfare and that was clearly unmy dad's role as speaker. that was when welfare was reform as well as the budget balance for four years. it really says this race is wide open. that we don't know what will happen. what we do know is my father is the only candidate, including president barack obama, that has balanced the budget for four years in a row nationally and reform welfare, cut spending and cut taxes. and he is the leader that we need today. >> well, jackie, as always, a great place to talk to you and i'm sure we'll talk again very soon. >> thank you for having me on. >> has the race changed tonight or is this another swing of the pendulum? joining me now, ben